Who is your Favorite Communist???

You obviously have trouble understanding sarcasm.

 

I would have to go with Lenin. If he wouldn't have died Russia would have witnessed true communism. Not the twisted regime Stalin led.

 

CHE GUEVARA

followed by Fidel Castro.

Who said he "tortures and kills" Cubans? Last I heard, Cubans were the healthiest and best educated people in any other third world country.

 

Haha, you left off Marx, you're a POSEUR communist XD

That was sarcastic by the way...but you are stupid for leaving off marx...

 

C'mon, they can't read almost anything, they can only read what Fidel chooses. Besides, they don't have access to the internet because Castro doesn't want them to have contact with the rest of the world and get in contact with other ideas.
Besides, if they feel so good in their country, why do they try to leave it whenever they can?
You should see the embassy they have here, it is almost a palace! Do ALL Cubans have the same comforts or is it something just for Castro's friends???

 

Yes, the key term in your post is "third world country".

 

The fact that Castro is a powerhungry tyrant who puts journalists in jail for doing their job aside, comparing the living standards and literacy rates of Cuba with those of other Caribean (Cuba is in the Caribean, isn't it?) islands is interesting. It's doing a hell of a lot better, actually. And consider that they were pretty similar before the revolution. Something to think about.

Oh, and BTW, please don't refer to Cuba as 3rd world. The terminology is a holdover from the Cold War. The US and allies were 1st world. The Communists and satelite states were 2nd world. Everyone else was 3rd world. Cuba is 2nd world.

 

stupid poll and even worse choice man..

 

A few things I've noticed since my last post:


(1) This forum is loaded with Communist sympathizers and apologists.

(2) A "true" proletarian is someone who works in a factory. There are no further requirements. However, most working class people are not Communists. There's about one billion of them in China who belong to the Communist Party. But the exact number of them who are actually Communists is questionable since you have to belong to the Communist Party to get a job. Here in North America, I've noticed that most vocal Communists are really just members of the bourgeoisie with identity crises.

(3) I don't know why Communism seems to think that he and the anarchists are on the same page. Most anarchists I've spoken with hate Communists passionately, especially Stalinists like Communism (I'm referring to the person who posts under that name, not the ideology. I can see why that would be confusing. From now on when I mean the ideology, I'll spell it with a lower case "c".) Anarchists have been stabbed in the back by communists enough times to know that they can't be trusted.

(4) Some poster mentioned "true" communism and that if Lenin had lived Russia would have seen it. I take it that by "true" communism, he means Marxism, but the poster was incredibly vague. But my point is, Marx saw communism as a matter of historical necessity. So it shouldn't have mattered if Lenin lived or not; communism was supposed to come about anyway. Besides, if "true" communism does mean Marxist communism, then it should have happened in Britain or France or America before Russia. And aside from all the speculations and 'what ifs' about Lenin, the fact is he slowed down nationalization and collectivization of industries in 1921, mostly because peasants were burning their crops rather than have them stolen from them by bureaucrats, which sparked a nation-wide famine.

(5) Cubans could have the best healthcare in the world, land the first man on Mars, and live in luxurious castles under the sea for all I care. If you can get jailed for what you say, then I want no part of it.

That's all for now.

 

trotsky.... paranoid as fuck but killed by a gardener, he just gets points for the irony....


GO RAMONE!!!

 

Wow I guess my parents were asking themselves the same question when they almost got shot at the revolution....p.s i could start a fucking diatribe about this thread but i obviously don't see the point

common sense... nicely put

 

Hmm they were all assholes.

 

Proletariat is working class, so it is not just someone who works in a factory, also Marxism does not differ from employed or unemployed workers in regard to class, thus the unemployed under Marxist logic, are also part of the proletariat and are equals in the working class..

Well the final goal of Marxism is Anarchism, it is a transitional system, the idea being that first, one needs a classless society, before one can have a system based on voluntary cooperation.

 

The bottom line is that communism just doesn't work. It sounds good on paper but in practice it falls apart because people just aren't that selfless. That has been proven.

 

Pol Pot; if he's good enuf for Al Franken, he's good enuf for me.

 

In my honest opinion, Fascism > Communism.

 

Because it has never been done right.

"“The time is past for revolutions carried through by small minorities at the head of unconscious masses. When it gets to be a matter of the complete transformation of the social organisation, the masses themselves must participate, must understand what is at stake and why they must act. But so the masses may understand what is to be done, long and persistent work is required.”"
-Friedrich Engels 1895

That is from Engles (the other dude behind Marxism), the majority has to lead the minority not the other way around, leaders are for sheep and have no place in Marxism, just like they have no place in Anarchism.

 

There are various definitions of communism. This thread is off the mark insofar as instead of asking "Who is your favorite communist?" It would be better to ask "What is your vision of an ideal communism?" Or, for those who think they don't care for any kind of communism, an equivalent question would be "What do you view as an ideal society?"

I know these questions are very broad but they are important to think about and I hope I'll get some replies. And, to be just a little more specific, let me ask this question: Do you believe some people deserve more than others and some less than others? If you do believe that, then how much inequality are you willing to accept? For others? For yourself?

I am not a Marxist or Leninist I have never read either author. However I do believe that the more one favors equality the more one tends toward being an "ideal" communist. That's my own personal concept of communism. I think in terms of equality and I think equality's a good thing.

So how equal a society do people want to achieve?
How unequal a society are people willing to accept?

Any thoughts are appreciated.

 

If you want to get knit-picky, proletariat means urban working class, so the peasantry is excluded. If by unemployed you mean people who want to work but are unable (for whatever reason), then they are included. If by unemployed you mean people who are lazy and prefer to collect a welfare cheque, then they are most certainly not included.

Yes, but that doesn't have anything to do with what I said. All I said is that anarchists hate Communists, and they hate them for the following reasons:

(1) Marx expelled Bakunin and his followers from the First International.

(2) The Bolsheviks violently supressed Makhno and his armies in the Ukraine during the Russian Revolution.

(3) The anarchists were stabbed in the back by the Stalinists during the Spanish Civil War.

Also, Bakunin, before any Communist revolution had ever taken place, predicted that the transitional socialist phase of Marxism would collapse into dictatorship. Credit where credit is due, he was right.

 

Common Sense's last post shows why people need to be discussing the communism of the future and not that of the past.


To plan for the future, of course, one needs to have a goal in mind.