Which do you prefer: 2c-I or 2c-E?

I just want to add that 2c-e, for me, was harder on my stomach. 2c-e made me puke about an hour or so after taking it, whereas I was fine with 2c-i. After you puke you know you are ready for the dream-state.

As with 2c-i, the onset was pretty slow. I really started feeling woozy about an hour and a half to two hours after I took it. At about 2 hours paintings on the walls were in motion. That was pretty cool, but I did not find the trip super intense. I enjoyed the tactile sensations of a sweater of mine: as with 2c-i, I enjoyed the feeling of various fabrics rubbing against my skin. Closed-eye visuals were pretty weak 5 to 6 hours after consuming it. It was more of a feeling of wooziness than anything. But perhaps next time will be different.

 

Yea I don't know if you say the closed eye visuals weren't that intense, maybe you ingested the wrong substance lol... The closed eyed visuals are intense guy... I watched in full detail as a skeleton wizard in space with a psychedelic robe and cape was all like floating, and there were planets everywhere. He had this crystal ball in front of him and my 'camera angle' kept changing. Soon, he spun around and smashed the crystal ball, which exploded into a psychedelic kaleidoscope that blew me away from the explosion.. that was on a dosage of like 25 mg's or so. I used ebay for a scale that can do mg's accurate to +/- 1 mg for like 120 bucks I think.... then my piece of shit ex-roommate's fellow piece of shit cat broke it by going in my closet and knocking it off the shelf.


Well, fuck him and his cat, but anywho.. yea maybe the tolerance fucked it up for you. Might wanna invest in an mg scale if you're into rc's.

 

I wrote this above while under 2c-e, obviously. I struggled to form sentences, although I was conscious and could reason with some effort. My thinking was less linear and clear. This means that my IQ dropped for some time.

Any insights from these psychedelics must be coming from the new angle of perspective provided by the altered state of consciousness. Psychedelics are more of a "creative" than an "analytical" tool: at least this is my view based on my experience with Shulgin's phenethylamines.

With shrooms, and to some extent with pot, your emotions become much more intense than with these phenethylamines. If you are depressed, from my experience, shrooms can aggravate things, temporarily. I found a low dose of shrooms to provide more insight than 2c-i or 2c-e.

 

Man, to tell you the truth, (this is obviously just my opinion) I really feel like you can get to the same exact place and have the same exact trips regardless of substance as long as you dose it right. I mean like if I take enough shrooms, I can have just as many visuals as a few hits of cid, I am in the same mindspace, tripping... Anybody else have thoughts on this?


As far as being unable to put speech together while tripping- I have always been fairly good at communicating, until recently I have noticed a degradation in these abilities. I think it has something to do with me doing mdma. I used to be completely against it, because it killed the lsd industry which I love so much, and also it's just not as fun as lsd. But then I tried it, and now it's alright sometimes.

I had a similar problem one time putting together sentences typing, but they were actually linux commands. I have been a linux user for years, and I do in fact work with linux as part of my job- I sat down in front of a terminal window on my computer once on 2c-e, and couldn't really recall wtf to do... and it's weird, cause that shit is like second nature to me.

 

Yeah, my buddies and I were doin' some jimson weed the other day and... oh, right, wrong forum

 

I definitely agree with that. I've had mind blowing experiences on Foxy and 2CC that blew some of my experiences with 'cid out of the water. It has to do with the dose, the setting, and the mindset. Half of it is just being ready for the experience, I think.

 

Unfortunately, I don´t get much effects of 2C-C (even on high doses), only nasty side-effects...

 

I've never done 2c-i sadly, but I have been with 2c-e 3 times, and the time that was really spectacular turned to be very troublesome, and I felt that if I did not try hard enough to keep a grasp on things I would lose my sanity for ever. The mindfuck seemed worse than a high dose of shrooms.

However I think it has great potential and i want to return to it.

 

The vomiting over 2c-e is a major, major inconvenience. But at 30 mg this is truly psychedelic. Yes, I imagine this is what good LSD or mescaline to be: pretty much reaching the same point.

 

I suppose this is an advantage of studying and researching before you get into things. I don't use a trip sitter, and I study the drug pretty well beforehand. I believe that when it comes to psychedelics, within a reasonable framework, it's better to take too much than too little.

Bad trips are often due to uncertain or bad expectations -- it all feeds onto itself. I can see how my experience today could have turned out worse for someone not knowing what was going on.

 

The tolerance last time was a factor: so there is overlap between 2c-i and 2c-e. You will want to wait at least a week to fully explore the possibilities of 2c-e.

Again, no major visuals, even with eyes closed. But truly a mind-warping space-time experience.

 

Does 2c-e have a tolerance with it's self?

 

2C-B is the best though

 

I've never had it; I can get it but it's too expensive for me: 550 a g.

 

For those of you that want to learn more about 2C-E, this site has a very long thread topic about 2C-E!

cheers

http://www.bluelight.nu/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114627&r=150

 

2c-e is better then 2c-i says my monkey.

 

Would like to participate but sorry, I haven't got the first clue what you are talking about, must be some new drugs. Old hippy from Oz.

 

GTA83 - a tolerance builds for 2c-e if you do it day after day VERY quickly. but if you spread it apart as much as a week or 5 days, the experience is just as good as the one prior to it. the day after, youll have to dose near 1.5x to get the same effects and so forth so it worth splitting the time up. just like with all psychedelics, you have to give a time interval between doing it again or youre not going to get what you had the time prior

 

GTA said that almost 2 years ago, now.

I'd assume I'd prefer 2C-E over 2C-I. 2C-E has given me some wild experiences, like LSD. But I no longer like using LSD as a base point for a 'good' psychedelic experience.. Certainly LSD is clean, safe, etc., but to assume it's way of manifestation is better than other psychedelics always, nah. Everything has their own sort of thing that makes them unique.

Where as LSD visuals seem more detailed and 'actually happening' for me without the focus, 2C-E seems a bit more blurry and hectic, and the more I focus on the visuals makes me feel like I keep losing more and more of a grip on reality (ego death).. Also in smaller amounts like 12-20mg of 2C-E, focus and sitting aside from regular activity is actually somewhat required for the trip to come on strong. I don't get tracers on 2C-E. For LSD when it's coming up, it seems like things you sort of just look at, are moving across your vision and a semi-transparent trail of that image kind of drags along (except for multiple items at a time so it's hard to explain from a sober stand-point) I never had this effect while on 2C-E.

... Which is also why mixing is good. I'd love to try both paper + 2C-E some day.

 

2c-e all the way. Its the only phen I have sampled that can cause the same type of body vibration and headspace as high dose psilocybin or other indoles. 2c-i just has too much peripheral stimulation to make the trip at all worthwhile.