Where art thou dionysian ubermensch, hero of human culture?

What am I trying to inform you of? Your creations are cultivated! Your impressions are not. Taste belongs to the body, understanding belongs to the mind. Taste is chemo sensitive, good taste is not.

To undo the church of rome. What better partner than a tireless atheist! However I had no idea that you liked to shoot off mouth but were reluctant to show your face and would obfuscate that fact by suggesting that I was less than participatory with my own family. You deny me by virtue of your claim to my ignorance while saying it is though you have no one which is not only self denying but antithetical to your claim that you and your pound of flesh are all that. Go ahead strike a pose you and your impostor posse and see if that is enough prose to communicate to this audience.

I understand your music whether necessary or not. I understand your connection to it. The music has no depth or is not phonically rich enough to let my backbone slip and that is a matter of taste for which I can offer no accounting, it just doesn't move me but to disinterest. The effect of which would not have me hanging with a certain crowd as a matter of record, but does not affect my cordiality. Seems a popular refrain among our compatriots here. Thanks but no thanks. It doesn't come across as a glad tiding, but more a fuck you guys everything is beautiful in it's own way. Beauty is an abstraction dear. Sometimes I even have to squint a little to see yours. Beauty is a looking glass into your own images and you are transfixed by your own reflection. That does not concern you however as you are admiring enough of yourself for everyone to see. You are icarian not dionysian, son.

That would be self denial.

Entertainment is entertainment.
Entertainment is a form of activity that holds the attention and interest of an audience, or gives pleasure and delight. It can be an idea or a task, but is more likely to be one of the activities or events that have developed over thousands of years specifically for the purpose of keeping an audience's attention. Entertainment is something used to pacify independent attention. I don't want to hold anyone's attention but to alert to the power their attention holds.

You say what you say eloquently but your vain apprehension is a detractor, albeit you're well meaning.

 

And we love each of our bodies for the taste judged out of the ordinary unreasonable perception of how they are knowing fools less important to these funny tastes. Body is kicked in the ass.

 

This is called fear of death and it comes from the idea that you are a special circumstance. So inherent in this idea is the concept of higher and lower being or better or worse being but in the case of being there are no variants having and being are the same. Being is transcendent of specific form and you would value your life no less for having to forage with a stick.
You imagine that for civilization to fall would represent some loss of potential or ease of being but I know scant few who are comfortable in their own skin as it is.

I am prepared having introduced myself to the animal conditions of my locale.
Metallurgy becomes melting scrap. Regeneration involves recycling.

All the ingenuity of man is ingenuous, that is artless, compared to the light of the sun.

How to be truly helpful?

No, I describe no format and I need do nothing.
My protections extend naturally to those things I call my own and my right needn't know what the left is doing.

 

Self denial kicks in the ass. We are attractive, absorptive and reflective, but never repulsive. What is not real does not exist. The body loves to eat.

 

O.K. O.K. The immaculate perception of fake Android usage all over the town. I should add: the reason of Self-affirmation is a historically Sick Socrates. There is no reason. The truth is plain to see.:mickey:

 

Reason is not historical it is prescient. Light can be painful to the dark adjusted eye and then retreat seems like sound advice. Everything happens at the membranes called up from the center. Encouragement is likely in order. It is a joy to be.

 

Your mind/body divide doesn't work. All impression can be cultivated through mind.

The reason you gave before that of undoing the church of rome was to become known to your children who otherwise don't want to know you. You'd put yourself to them posthumously rather than face their notions that you were never 'there' for them! lol You tell me in so many words, referencing your wounds, that you have not long to live, then resent my asking if you know how long! You solicited me, as a dying man with a last wish, citing your illnesses as though they were veritable deeds of entitlement! I am warmer than you. You have my words, you have my permission to do what you will with them. I am sincerely sorry I can't do whatever it is you want me to do with them for you. You don't seem to know that yourself! If I wasn't an artist, I'd probably manage something.

Let the church of rome undo itself, unless... you are a roman? lol

I am to you what you'll have me as of course, but the extent depends on your capacity for creation. You don't admit we create ourselves, only like ourselves. You are confused by degrees. You can't see the sea for the trees! Come closer! Concern yourself with the youth to your hearts content! For you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_4e8Tq-CKQ"]Sonic Youth - The Diamond Sea - YouTube

No, you must become as a little child since you think the body a device of the mind! That said, you are always welcome to run with my company! Steal from me if you like, and if I happen to kill those who attempt to kill me, you can sprinkle words over them, or whatever it is your kind do these days! :-D

You want education a world apart. You will find yourself in rome then, and
the lions will only run against you.

My vanity is naturally open to your evaluation. Your devaluation of it remains what it is.

 

Anaximenes:

And one, if not for you, for you! Back to the jungle :-D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgWi0Lfibqo"]DJ Kane - Slave the 2nd Visit (The Real Deal Remix!) [Trouble on Vinyl 1994] - YouTube

 

There is no mind body divide it is a mind body association. You always choose with a guide. Thoughts are cultivated but they begin as formless impulse an impulse to which is added color and inflection and even sometimes negative infection. Someone once described thought as a deep and endless sea from which rises bubbles effervescent. As the bubble breaks the surface the surface tension is either released and the bubble pops, a passing thought, or you may maintain your a tension upon it and so produce a large oscillation as that cultivated attention informs your actions and spirals into the view of all around.

Wrong. They are curious, think I am strange, indifferent and they are suspicious of each other not knowing we are all in common.

Let's be clear as you come forward in still an anonymous way. I said nothing about not long to live. I said I was concerned for the deterioration of my mental capacity and I described conditions that contributed to it. I also told you I was vigorous and ample to any task set before me but that without a backstop of invitation like the wood needs to be chopped or someone asked a question, I wander in circles. I showed you what you interpreted as my demise because you insist on the evidence of the body. I did this so you would stop ranted about how I deny my body or that I am not somehow aware of our connections. You think I duped you? You are the dope in not recognizing what the evidence of the body is. It's evidence is, you are a dead man just as your ease with me dies because you got what you asked for.

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My children think I am strange, indifferent.

The only thing I have asked you to do is do for yourself. I said you are free to spin it as you like didn't I? All of us here are already on the task. What do you think an artist is? Your art other than your gift of gab is not apparent in this venue and it gives me the impression that your hot air is not connected to a steam engine. I asked you to build me a damned house and you said i can't cause I'm not a carpenter I'm and artist. Whoopdedoo. I built my own damn house artistically, that is from no blueprint, and now I huff and puff and your art is gonna end up on the cutting room floor.

You don't understand what I mean by youth, I mean as little children. You send me teenagers strutting their stuff. Thanks for the nap dear not failing to notice the lyrical references. I am a pro-motion specialist. As I said I made no mention of having you do my work for me, not to set you adrift on a fools errand but to teach you thrift, how to save time. We can't spend all day waiting on you to sort out what your love is. I know what it is and you are it!

There's a killer on the road, his brain is squirmin like a toad... here the children say...

The lion lays down with the lamb when he is fed.

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Not at all, it is inescapable unless at your own recognition. We must confer with magnanimous intent.

 

So why say you're not your body? You told me once that the thought depresses you. Lie and lie to yourself if you please - But to others? How will it relieve your unease?

You are not willing to go to them in their misunderstanding, as though it meant sharing it! Call them to you by all means, but mind that the call's not all.

Clarity? The life of the mind concerns us. The 'evidence' of the body means only life to me. Are you hiding a corpse somewhere?

Be clear as per your request. If you ask me at all you ask for yourself also. The human body exceeds all our art. I'm not concerned where my art ends up. As I said to you in 'private', - "I love to create on the spot. We all do, and once we know it, knowledge is never really dear to us beyond its being directly imparted."

Saving time is for misers! It's not running out no matter whose nerves are on edge! Multiplication is quick addition as you say. So what? You want me to sort myself out. Motion is no problem. What you want with my recognition is anybodys guess. I'm no-ones messiah. Do you want my love so that you can sort me out? That's just jealously. It's uglier than vanity. Ask the children!

Into this house we're born, into this world we're thrown.

But they also say, in gratitude: I couldn't, in my wildest dreams, have wanted it any other way!

You say you want mercy, not sacrifice. You never had much to say when I replied you need neither in love.

You don't understand. I am not trying to escape it. How do you think you're evaluating it at all? Does hiding your own do much for you?

 

I will answer your question. I did not say the thought depresses me, I said the identification with the body inevitably leads to depression at some point.
For example the statement I feel awful or I am sick. This is not healthy and is an active attack on your capacity to enjoy yourself, depression of the only expression you want. What then if you dissociate from the temperate demands of the body and will your estate to perpetual radiance. Like I said of the temperate demands of the body, it would eat your own brother if you didn't restrain it's appetite. It's desire is for you but you must learn to master it. Be noble in your savagery lest you foul your own nest.

You know less of my will than you do of death. I am unwilling to try to bring truth to illusion in order to sooth illusion. I am not worried about anyone finding out, they will. The tragedy occurs in the duration of suffering and the least irritation is the same as the greatest catastrophe. Saving time is not a miserly move but a generous effort to the suffering. You can dally or delay but you cannot avoid.

No they are in plain sight on your grocers shelves.

You idolize an image and leave your children vacant of good will.

The more the merrier. Like I said to you, we will count your sincerity jest and let you laugh at your fortune. You confuse the bright white light with coldness.

Exactly

Now your age is showing as you do want it another way.

And I say love is what you are and is beyond what can be taught. Saying all you need is love is not a remedy when you think your love must be some where out there.

I can't hide my ignorance. Someone or something always manages to point it out and I am instructed. You will insist a thing regardless of a community of evidence.

 

This from you tells me you are sick.

If you feel you can't communicate with your children directly, you have a problem art cannot solve. My adroitness is no cure for your avoidance. I can help reunite you with your children beyond the grave, provided you're not dead!

I'm fairly certain soylent green is fable, not people. Meat is murder I suppose, if you poison it and serve it up with a side of silence.

Children? I have no will to leave my works but that which created them in the first place. What I can't give them is a final resting place. Do you find them... unruly?

With your last breath, make it known if you still feel you need your children to remember you 'differently', and I shall paint you for them as the friend you've always been. You may become resolved to a better scenario before that time comes! Until then, live with my laughter! I am not one who says such a time needs to come! You won't have to mother the chicks or father the world, and you may even want to dance! :-D I don't hear a lot on dance in this thread where one might expect to! The dance is how I know who can drop their pre-occupation at a moments notice! lol

You imagine you can't imagine differently. But I am different to you. I'd die for my life... if I had to! :-D

I don't think that. You do, wanting our recognition in writing. My signature doesn't stop for me. All I want is love. Need is never agreed.

I was talking about your vanity. I won't if you don't want me to.

 

I found the problem.

 

Then you are no soothe sayer of healing. What comes form me is so. So you may end your depressive depression.

What avoidance retarder! Your adroitness? You haven't brought anything to the table yet. You know nothing of childhood development. I don't feel I can't communicate directly, I do but some can't hear me for want of verification. We always choose with a guide. Peer review is the order of the day. Knowledge is being shared. It grows on the vine.
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No, curious.
What do you mean your works? Any jackass can carry a bag of rocks from one place to another.

Not the point. It is to answer their questions in a way that is meaningful to them. Objective art. Art with an object. The art object the meaning of self as the communication between breath and body is abstract. If you were asked to speak in front of, standing physically in front of other people in the room would that be consistent with your ever emergent art?

Yeah, they may not be too concerned with your autobiography I need no one to speak in my absence you do not understand the larger current of life.

I already said I considered you a joke, that boat has sailed, you are too late a bloomer for my purposes. A guide speaks as loud as anyone's willingness to listen, but you can continue to tag along in your own reserve if you like.

You do not know who gets up or gets down, everyone dances a dervish dance without ceasing as associations swirl out. You confuse fundamentally form and content.
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You'd die you think to keep your life, but your life is not kept there.

Then you don't have it to give.

You said I was wrong headed, say what you like but what is the same is the same and what is different is different and not the same.

 

Your thinking identification with the body inevitably leads to depression tells me you are sick, but it doesn't mean I want you to be.

So why do you want us in bookland? When in Rome? lol

Well, it had to be the case I guess that where you wanted a "partnership" in a thing I don't feel a need for, a thing in which you 'trust' me to do all the heavy lifting, that I should then appear to you as the rubble you step over. lol
I don't believe you know how to undo a church. Don't you know they're ruins?

Why not? No-one's ever asked me to speak on what I will before. Everyone has a subject in mind. If you want to answer their questions meaningfully, you can't do so more meaningfully than doing so face to face. As for 'telling' them something, you may of course choose your own distance.

Mini-dopes! :-D I know they'll side with me if they read us here. Their dad thinks he's not his body after all. lol

Ok, find another dervish partner! I'm not the spin doctor you're looking for.

No, you are fundamentally confused in thinking them "not the same" as per your "appropriate use of denial" lol

Only if I had to, but I don't.

You think desire necessarily comes from a lack, but you still won't find me denying, as you try to deny me, dionysian abundance. :-D

Was it unhelpful of me? Your thinking we don't create ourselves isn't helpful. No-one's stopping you thinking you're not your body.

 

Same mistake you make when you assign me tone instead of reading words.

Amplification. Multiplication. Extension. Creation. I am not in rome I want to undo it. If you are roman at heart then you are not human at heart. What is the same is the same and you cannot serve two masters.

The heavy lifting? The physical application is the easiest part. Life needn't be a chore. I asked for help not a replacement squad. You act as those I had been offensive in asking for help calling me sick. Love does not insist on it's own welcome but leaps to invitation. You are lustful at best, but you are not always lusting, sometimes you shy away.

I did

I can't be everywhere at once so networking is in order.

Hardly, they know my body, you they've never met. They might think you some kind of internet pervert.

But you still want to doctor my spin.

Seeeee above.

That is your apology for saying something stupid.

Celebration doesn't seek celebration, celebration is an overflowing. I know the compulsion for more comes from dissatisfaction and the appreciation of what is dissolves all compulsions.

Helpful is a matter of timing and desired aim. You are completely ignoring there are two essential voices in your head, you always choose with a guide, you always must refer to magnanimous intent or probability and statistics and that is a crap shoot. First seek the kingdom of god and all things will be added unto you to overflowing.

 

Oh and to how to undo a church, remove the barriers we have erected to perceiving the taste of cola. Rome is the un-cola nut seven up and no room to sit.

 

No, the idea that identification with the body 'inevitably' leads to depression is sick.

What is Rome to you?

No, I am loving at best. I said I was open to the idea. I also said I wouldn't know where to start.

I count this as your asking me now. I will love. You think though, mistakenly, that this means I do not love already. lol

In order for what? Your being everywhere at once?! Your children are where they are. Go to them. Why else bring them up?

They'd be right, wouldn't they? No decent person lets themselves overflow into cyberspace after all. Do the done thing and be bound in a book is best amen god save the king and be prosperous.

No. But I do want you to get better where you feel yourself unwell. And is your feeling unwell 'terminal'? I'll be no less your friend.

Doesn't apply. I've doctored nothing, just pointed out your spin as spin. Form is content.

It's no apology at all. You can capture our entire correspondence, put it on a plaque of prodigious proportions, caption it dejavus stupidity, it won't change a thing. A few romans may wander by and decide they'd rather undo themselves than read it, and the church would stand where it always has. In your mind.

It is an overflowing, but you're mistaken thinking it doesn't seek its overflow. Joy wants eternity. What you know concerning the call for 'more', is a drop in the ocean.

There's only one voice in my head. The one that proceeds from it. Love yourself, and do not disdain that one may learn to!

 

Boy this old post was buried back there quite a ways...