When you think about it..Is not war a crazy thing?

Many of your arguments are true .

Paramahansa Yogananda opposed what he called to the un-Vedic caste system as we know it today. He taught that the caste system originated in a higher age, but became degraded through ignorance and self-interest. Yogananda said:


"These were (originally) symbolic designations of the stages of spiritual refinement. They were not intended as social categories. And they were not intended to be hereditary. Things changed as the yugas [cycles of time] descended toward mental darkness. People in the higher castes wanted to make sure their children were accepted as members of their own caste. Thus, ego-identification caused them to freeze the ancient classifications into what is called the ‘caste system.’ Such was not the original intention. In obvious fact, however, the offspring of a brahmin may be a sudra by nature. And a peasant, sometimes, is a real saint.”"
—from Conversations with Yogananda, Crystal Clarity Publishers, 2003.


Hope this gives you the picture.

 

The caste system is not legal anymore even in India where it started by those names and regulations, the reason being that very slowly all things get corrupted and confused.

In this age characterized by shameless corruption, anyone labeled or categorized as a Brahmana would take that position and abuse it as we have already seen priests commit the ultimate crime and be absolved easlily.

Politicians abuse shamelessly their position, but so do doctors, teachers, businessmen, cops, lawyers, judges etc. Six thousand years ago this age began, and it has gotten worse and will continue to get worse, if you are looking for utopia, you'd have to take a time machine to the golden age where everyone was perfectly honest, and naturally spiritual. Of course that is if you believe in the vedic scriptures version of history, and not in the secular interpretation of the ages.

 

The 'golden age' is a myth. It never existed.
And it isn't a choice between the vedic or secular. There are other versions of history too.

But as I say, the past has been charcterized by unending warfare and bloodshed, and none of the religions has done anything to prevent it - often they have been the perpetrators.

Just explain this though as you ignored it before - how can we ever hope for peace whilst we have religions like islam which preach forcible conversion etc? And they too belive this is what god wants, becaue they have been indoctrinated by 'brahmins' to believe it. So powerful is the brainwashing that they'll even blow themselves up just in order to kill a few of those they don't like or they percieve to be enemies of their blood-soaked deity.

The illegality of the caste system makes little effective difference - that's why you have mass conversions to Islam and Buddhism in India today as an attempt to escape it, or at least as a protest against it.

 

It indeed had existed,it is not a myth.

 

That's what you've been conditioned to believe.

 

Nope, that is what my own reason and intuitions told me.

 

BS. You read about it and it appealed to you, that's all. Also it is the 'official' hindu line.

 

I would belive as you believe but once I read the Bhagavatam everything became and has remained clear to me.

Simplified: there was a golden age, in fact many golden ages; we are now at the iron age which out of four it is the last and the worst. In the lifetime of Brahma (the creator ) only in one of his days, the four ages pass one thousand times.

The golden age is not something lost, in fact after the last avatar comes (kalki) we will experience something like the golden age even within this age of quarell and hipocrisy (kali, iron, last age)

This is what I believe firmly; not foolish Islamic perversions, hipocritical Christianity, (although Jesus is alright with me) and vain athesitic Budhism.

 

You are free to believe what you want. Maybe one day you'll read something else and change your opinion.


However, I'd have to say that belief in the Bhagavatam as a reliable source of true information about history is on the same level as xian fundies with their 6,000 year old universe.

 

Seeing that you are so stubbornly adhering to your own private point of view, and description of what is real, I doubt you'll ever get a chance to open up the Bhagavatam and read it through-- but if by chance you do, you will begin to reason things much differently than presently.

 

See my reply to you're other thread in this context.

And actuallty, what you're doing is stating your own private take on what someone else, swami prabhupada, has written. We each one of us have 'our own..point of view' that's the nature of life.

 

I read it , reasoned about it with all the data I got, and used my intuitions as well, and I came to the conclusion , like many others that it is not a myth.

And some of the stuff I have seen in these books, I have seen in yogis and enlightened masters in India personally.

Hence I do not believe it is a myth.

 

Well, maybe in time you will get the chance to launch a war against the xian young earthers who say precisely the same thing about their myths.

 

And I have also stated my perspective of the leader of these xian young earthers in a thread of mine. :H

 

By golly! That'll show 'em.

 

Yup.

 

How do you know that the propagation of the word "myth'' was not started by government agents in leage with the devil?

There's a conspiracy theory for you..

 

posted document.write(''+ myTimeZone('Mon, 06 March 2000 04:32:00 GMT-0800','03-06-00 07:32 AM')+'');03-06-00 06:32 AM 03-06-00 07:32 AM "Little girl...Sometime they'll give a war and nobody will come."Carl Sandburg(1878-1967)American Poet from 'The People,Yes'(1936)also"What if somebody gave a war & Nobody came?.Life would ring the bells of Ecstasy and Forever be Itself again."Allen Ginsberg(1926-97)American poet and novelist, 'Graffiti'(1972)

also film title "Suppose they gave a war and nobody came?." written by Don McGuire and Hal Captain, 1969: 'Suppose They Gave a War and No One Comes?'was the title of a piece by Charlotte Keyes in 'McCall', Oct.1966.

 

The devil himself is another myth.

 

What is a myth to one dude is a true fact for another, an viceversa.