what's wrong with using abortion as a form of birth control

I've seen about 10 or 12 of these suckers go down, too. Every thread is basically the same thing, which is pretty useless.

 

oh yeah, every couple months, someones gotta bring it up. it's just a place to vent frustrations. You have your beliefs I have mine, they have theirs. Believe different, get smacked down. That's HF. Hell that's the world.

 

No hablo Ingles, amigo.

 

exactly!!!

 

Utter nonsense.
Just because one does not know the clear point of crossing does not mean that one is incapable of defining points that are on either side.
If I stand on a hill side and look at the hill on the other side with a valley in between, I don't need to know where te cross-over point is that one hill ends and another begins to know that a point high on the other hill is on the other side of the valley.
Simple point.
I don't know the cut-off point but I do know that if I reach that point high on the other side then I have surely crossed it.
Failed logic in the above quote.
To go further, I suggested that it was best to err on the side of caution since the exact spot is not known. So, I do not need to know the cross-over line for my point.

Can you say give up for adoption? In fact, many states have laws and policies for not asking questions regarding dropped off newborns at hospitals etc so tat the children can be saved.
Second, it is not economic slavery. More slogan ranting. Solgan's prove nothing. Somehow taxation versus the death of a newborn is an easy choice...
I work to take care of responsibilities. That is not slavery. When my father was terminally ill I moved back home to help my Mother take care of him. That was not slavery and his condition was not my fault.

How many times do I have to restate that I am not looking for a cut-off point?
My point is that there isn't a difference inthe baby between those two points and therefore a baby three days away from birth should not be killed.

More mumbo jumbo. Just throw a few phrases together and say that it means something. Useless in a debate and no logic to it. It has no meaning.

Again mumbo jumbo. Trying to contort what understand means into something else and thensay that whatever that something is happens to be important.
I have a very solid understanding of logic, operations, and logical consequences. This follows none of those. It is an attempt to arbitrarily change definitions to fit the point that is attempting to be made and it is a poor job of it.

No, I don't have to identify that point. My argument s that we should be certain to have passed it.

Again, speaking in vague terms that mean nothing and no relation as to why they are important. "a mental model of what life means" is something that has no real meaning because it can be interpreted in a thousand different ways which will range from including only those in their middle aged years (excluding both embryos to the elderly) to including everyting from that has human dna and is alive.

About the last bit with the sea sponge. No, it is not. Just throwing out the same comparison over and over does not make it true.

Classic debate mistake. Throw out one of those silly relativisms. We are all this...blah blah blah. You could say that with regard to selfishness the Enron executives and Mother Theresa are the same but everyone in this discussion knows what is meant by selfishness and that there is an enormous difference between the two I mentioned.

But, that is the point. Hate has no reason to be involved in this. There is no reason to hate any child born or for anyone to hate their life for having to care for a kid. "Hating life" as a result of having a baby is simply a cheap excuse. We make our own choices. People can endure far worse than we put up with and have great joy. If you (speaking in general terms...) are unhappy because you are raising a kid it is your fault and not the child's.

This "no need for guilt" is an affirmation of these arguments being a copout.

Yes, you did say it with the logic that you used.

The above logic says over and over that it isn't a human and thus ok when we do not understand it because it cannot understand/we cannot understand it and blah blah blah...

That understanding bit being used to justify the abortion and be related also to a zygote is also a connection that is explicitly being made for a newborn. The logic for killing one applies to the other.

And again, this logic is arbitrarily being made. It is not some logical consequence or result of science. The creations of definitions do not work that way. Definitions are made with the intent of intentionally excluding some traits and intentionally including others. When making statements such as an embryo is not a human because it cannot be "conceptually compared" to an adult it is a case of simply choosing the traits of the definition to exclude the embry and include the adult and thus saying that an embryo (or nine/ten month about to be born fully gestated "zygote") or newborn isn't a person.

In essense, you are choosing the definition to fit the desired outcome and then using the outcome to prove the point but saying it is a matter of logic. It is not a matter of logic. Morality is involved in creating the definition despite all the attempts to say otherwise such as references to not being conceptually comparable and comparisons to sponges.

 

You might as well say. "What is wrong with using Murder as a form of population control"

 

Lmao! that made my day

Thats another reason why abortions should be here. Young teens or moms take advantage of the tax payers which is FUCKED in the first place.

either way if any girl cant afford a baby or have the emotional stability for it then abort it or give it up for adoption

Simple and it keeps the population down and silly unwed mothers at a low

 

Every woman I know who's had an abortion had a totally legit reason, too--not wanting to have a baby. Works for me.

Also, abortions are more expensive than condoms. Using abortions in place of 'normal' contraceptives seems silly to me, but I don't have a problem with women getting abortions simply because they don't want babies.