what's wrong with using abortion as a form of birth control

I asked why pro-choice people thought it was wrong since the fetus is dead either way. The result is the same. I said I could understand someone taking the stance that abortion is murder and therefore always wrong. I don't get how it can be wrong but only in some circumstances. I guess you see things differently. That is fine.

 

From reading just the one post above....

pill = no fetus creation.
abortion = removal of fetus.

so yeah, not really dead either way.

 

The notion that abortion is acceptable only under certain circumstances brings the real prejudice to the surface -- it's not about the zygote, it's about punishing promiscuous women. If she has sex without bothering about birth control the zygote is important, but if the pregnancy isn't her "fault", well, she should be protected from childbearing and all the inconveniences that go with along with it.

 

Well, I'm not eavesdrop but lets say a woman who has been taking birth control pills since the day she started having menstrual cycles and who has only ever had sex with one partner (who she refuses to get in on with until he puts a condom on) gets raped, gets pregnant in spite of the birth control pills she's been dilligently and responsibly swallowing regularly along with her morning tea and then decides to get an abortion, the FETUS IS JUST AS DEAD.

I think the question is; why does the woman who has behaved in a societally approved manner get approval for her decision while the woman who just didn't want to be bothered about pills and condoms doesn't and who gets decide and where (if anywhere) do we draw a line?

 

Why would you want to draw a line ?

 

I am "pro choice", if you want to put it that way. I dont think "abortion is wrong" in all circumstances, I never said such a thing and infact I made it clear this was tue I know exactly what you were asking, for the last time I understand and have given you my answer

Give it a rest

 

No-one is saying that. People are saying women should have the responsibility to use birth control and not abortion as birth control. Abortion is something to be taken highly seriously and something women do when they ARE pregnant and feel itd be best for the potential child not to come into the world for whatever reason or they dont wish to pursue pregnancy for a reason...HERE were talking about women who are NOT yet pregnant who have unprotected sex KNOWING itll result in pregnancy eventually and actually premeditating "its alright, I can abort"...

This discussion IS about the woman. The very nature of it is about discussing the actions of a woman. People have a right to say what they think about something this serious, especially in abortion debate which is WHERE THIS POSTER WAS OBJECTING TO IT! If people are saying "Id hate it if a woman used abortion as birth control" I have explained the reasons why I personally would say this and they are numerous

You CAN have respect for life and believe that in some circumstances abortion may be best, it is not hypocritical and I have no idea why people are trying to make such a complex issue black and white

By the way were also talking about foetuses here, not just very early pregnancies

 

Probably none, but that is a discussion for a woman to have with her doctor. No medical procedure is risk-free, so a doctor is probably going to find a birth control method for most any woman that is better than frequent abortions.

That is nothing but doubletalk from people who want to sit on the fence and make concessions to both sides. If a fetus has no legal or moral right to life, then any reason you want to abort it is a good enough reason, even flipping a coin. If you really believe that life begins at birth, then having an abortion is going to be a relatively easy decision to make and there will be no emotional consequences at all.

 

wow, so you think those people having abortions have zero emotional consequence? I have yet to hear one example of a guilt free abortion. I'm sure they exist, as the worlds full of all types but I would imagine it's rare and infrequent.

 

My position is that a woman who can't do this without feeling guilty isn't 100% sure of what she believes about abortion, and probably shouldn't be having one. A better option for her might be giving the baby up for adoption.

No offence Dave, but I doubt if many women you know are going to open up to a man about how they honestly feel about their abortions. It is very trendy and popular to say that you have regrets. It gets you somewhat better treatment from conservatives, without changing the bottom line. There are heavy social consequences for saying that you had one without regrets. It is kind of like drawing a line in the sand. Fighting words, to the right wing.

 

No offense intended over here either. I'd rather not discuss items of such a potential volatile subject matter. I just think from a human perspective, forget politics, that it would be near impossible to completely disassociate from what could have been and what was growing/living inside of them. It's just a hard pill for me to swallow to think that anybody could could have zero emotional affect.

 

Okay i had to read that a couple times...I still think its unsafe, unless the woman had a health problem, she should still have that baby or put it up for adoption instead of doing harm to her body, now Im not saying like her first time, Im talking her second and third abortion. Get your tubes tied if you dont want a baby

IMO there should be a law (unless health problems but you should get your tubes tied if you have them) that you can only have one abortion. Usually most people learn their lesson the first time, and theres a lot of protected ways to prevent pregnancies

 

As a form of birth control?
It seems extremely impractical to wait until YOU ARE ALREADY pregnant, and THEN use your "method of birth control".

 

well shes saying knowing your pregnant but still taking the pill....you could get internal bleeding if you still take it. it happened to a friend of mine

 

I didn't know you could do that.

 

Well, this is probably the best place to talk about it. I doubt if I would be so open and honest in a real-world conversation, except with a very close friend. I expect people to have different opinions here. I don't get mad unless people get into personal insults and name-calling, which you never do.

I don't see abortion as much different from birth control. Every drop of semen is potentially several thousand babies that could have been, and every egg I release could have been a baby. To a woman who really wants to get pregnant, any wasted opportunity must seem like a terrible thing. It's all about what you want, and what you truly believe. Every month I choose to stay on birth control pills and avoid pregnancy because I don't want a baby. I don't think my choice is wrong, so there is nothing to feel guilty about. Any medical thing that works to make this happen is a good thing for me, whether it is the pill or abortion or something else.

My conviction that life begins at birth would not have been at all controversial for most of the history of the civilized world. In all of history, I have never heard of a "conception day" party or of anyone who counted his age from the time of his conception rather than birth. I have never seen a tombstone for a miscarriage, or heard of a funeral for a miscarriage. This beginning of life debate is a new controversy that has been made up in my parents' lifetime.

But it is a life and death issue, so there is no room for neutrality or sitting on the fence when a decision has to be made. You have to figure out what you really believe about this before you get an abortion, if you have any conscience or human feelings at all.

 

Based on what? If abortion is that bad, it should never be legal. I don't understand these halfway, wishy-washy positions. Either a fetus is a baby, or it isn't. I have yet to see any kind of sound logic or moral argument that supports a middle position of limited tolerance for the practice.

 

Where life begins is another debate entirely. My debate here and now is that i dont see where any human would have zero emotional consequence with abortion. It makes a good soundbite for pro-abortioners but I cannot agree that it is the norm. To be so jolly and act as if nothing just happened is ludicrous in my mind. Of course I am speaking from my own heart and mind. I'm sure there are no words you have that will change my mind on this and vice versa.

 

I'm not sure that anybody takes it quite that lightly. After all, it is a serious medical procedure, and the doctor is going to make that very clear.

I know one person that went through the experience a few years ago and handled it pretty calmly, but she was a lot older and more mature than the typical young girl in trouble. She already had two teenagers and didn't want any more kids. She is definitely not a bad person in general. How common is it for somebody to handle this like she did? I have no idea.

It may make a difference how long the woman is pregnant before the procedure is done. For some girls, all they do is miss a period and throw up a couple of times. That is far from a true pregnancy experience.

Be glad you're a guy, Dave, and will never find yourself in this situation, or have to go through childbirth. You guys have the risk of being drafted in wartime, so I guess it somewhat balances out.

The beginning of life debate gets into some really heavy theology, which puts it way out of my league. I definitely want to pass on that one.

 

"I don't see abortion as much different from birth control" Pretty light hearted statement, there. ok... ok...Maybe I embellished some with that statement but I wanted to get the point across that it is not that matter of factly and it does come with serious repercussion. I am indeed glad I'm a guy but as a guy I have never put a girl in this situ. In addition to wartime goodies, I feel the pressure and responsibility of raising my children and taking care of my wife so that she may be able to have the heaviest influence in their lives versus a nanny or daycare. That can be a pretty heavy deal at times. It's a lot of hard work when done right and put first in priority.