what's wrong with using abortion as a form of birth control

Discussion in 'Women's Forum' started by Eavesdrop, Jun 10, 2009.

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  1. Eavesdrop

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    What about the strain on the government assistance programs many low-income women rely on to raise children from birth to age 18 or the strain medicaid patients giving birth in our hospitals has on our healthcare systems?
     
  2. Fingermouse

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    If you reread my posts youll see that this isnt my only point on the matter
     
  3. Fingermouse

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    Isnt the answer to this that women should be using more birth control and THINKING MORE, not having more thougtless abortions?
    I never said I was anti abortion. I am not. This is a different issue

    Why are you determined to raise irrelevant subjects and place them as if theyre proof of my points having no validity? You avoided the issue I raised by presenting a completely new issue that didnt cancel out what I said at all :confused:
     
  4. Eavesdrop

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    I read your posts. You said it was a mental and physical strain on the woman and that it wasn't natural and made one comment about the healthcare system.
     
  5. Eavesdrop

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    I'll ask the question a different way.

    If abortion is wrong in some circumstances, why isn't it always wrong?
     
  6. Fingermouse

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    And the main point I raised was about respect for life and the matter of abortion needing decency and dignity, not being taken so lightly its the latest condom
     
  7. Fingermouse

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    I have answered your question already. Youre just not taking much notice of the answer. Thats up to you, just odd seeing as you asked
     
  8. Eavesdrop

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    What is a thoughtless abortion? Please clarify.
     
  9. Fingermouse

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    Basically an abortion used instead of birth control. You know...fuck without contraception-dont want a kid-never fuckin mind, Ill get rid of it...

    Are you just spamming or something? I seem to be having to repeat myself...
     
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    What would constitute a decent and dignified abortion?
     
  11. Fingermouse

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    One done for a better reason than someone couldnt be bothered to go through the "strain" of using condoms
     
  12. Eavesdrop

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    But the fetus is just as aborted if you have an abortion instead of birth control as it would be if it were aborted for an "acceptable" reason. It's dead either way.

    I actually respect the hard-core pro-life position. Abortion is murder and is always wrong. I can understand that even if I disagree.
     
  13. Fingermouse

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    If the person had used birth control, it wouldnt be there in the first place to be killed off

    Getting it yet?
     
  14. Eavesdrop

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    I sort of think I might understand the basics of how someone gets pregnant. :rolleyes:
     
  15. Fingermouse

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    Are you a professional bore or is it just a hobby?

    Im done here, Ive given you my reasons and answered your questions with my viewpoints...it seems you werent really after opinions, you just wanted to have a little argument with your rhetoric spouting about choices. You asked why people felt it was wrong for women to use abortion as birth control, i.e have unprotected sex knowing they could get pregnant but continuing because they could always get an abortion. Ive answered that and answered your further questions. My opinions still hold up and now youve made this descend into a load of seperate issues for no obvious reason
     
  16. odon

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    Blast, If only I put quotes in my signature.
     
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    Sooo, should if be covered under medicare ?
     
  18. Bonkai

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    Slightly stepping out of Eavesdrop and Fingermouse's circle of debate a bit, I would like to pose the question: With the morning after pill, birth control pills, and plan parenthood programs readily available through most hours of the day what would be the benefit to using abortion as birth control on a frequent basis?

    Surely abortion can't be the least strenuous option of birth control, actually that's one of the benefits of birth control (other than an unwanted child and health risk) is that a woman won't have to go through an abortion. Even with that said with the american system of health care I would have no problem with a woman using abortion as a form of birth control on a constant basis, mainly because our system is privatized and she pays for her abortion out of her own pocket (would be ethically savy to charger her more after each abortion i say).

    With the European/Socialized form of health care I would have to disagree and put a limit on ones abortions since the government pays for care (though that could easily back fire, cost of care for a child truimphs the cost of an abortion thousands of times over). However if some poor lady is at risk of health to every form of birth control besides abortion (and apparently coupled with a boyfriend with the worst understanding of the pull out method) there should be no limit.

    My $.02
     
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    I think the subject of this thread is hypocrisy, and the point that having the same view (be it for or against abortion) irregardless of the motivations of the woman who is making the choice is the more morally consistant view unless you have a very well thought-out justification to the contrary.

    Arguing whether the fetus has the same right to life as a baby seems to be a totally dead end in my experience. Either you believe it should or it shouldn't, I've never seen anyone change their ideas on that or put forward any really thought-provoking ideas either way.
     
  20. Burberry

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    The Pill could cause the loss of a fertilized embryo, and I don't think a lot of people know that. I know women who think hormonal birth control is the worst thing ever. A kind of warped rite of passage into womanhood. Sort of like: ok, now you're a woman, take these pills in order to "fix" your body's "problem" of getting pregnant. Nevermind that it causes blood clots, stroke, potential increase of breast cancer, loss of libido, fatigue, nausea, etc.

    I'm not arguing either pro-abortion or against birth-control and I'm probably not even answering your question very well. Just challenging the "If women don't want to be pregnant why don't they just pop some convenient little pills" attitude.
     
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