I do not idolize Jim, but I do enjoy and feel his words and his energy. That is what makes Jim so special to me personally. I connect with his art on a personal level. It really depends on the person. Obviously many people connected with Jim. Just because someone does not live by YOUR moral standards does not make them a waste. I think Jim contributed more to the world than most of the people who put him down.
Ive got no idea what Jim Morrison was like, though I can say I really dont like The Doors...Lol Ive noticed that The Doors are the only band from the 60's that kids (who claim to have a more "favorable" taste in music than most others) know of. They completely ignore bands like The Beatles, the Velvet Underground and the Grateful Dead...but The Doors are quite popular among them, lol. Im sure Jim was a smart guy though. I just...dont like The Doors >.<
the Doors were one of the first bands i remember hearing as a child. i think to try and fit Morrison into a film and call that "him" is idiotic. you can't base your perception of someone on one person's view of their life. i think he was brilliant and misunderstood. his poetry - amazing.
morrison is one of the most importan singers in the music history. it's not about whether he's good or not. you like him or not, is your own opinion...but you can't say that he's not good!!! HE IS!!!
I dunno, Val just seemed like such a jerk in the movie... I'm not sure why I saw him that way. I only saw maybe the first twenty minutes. I guess it just wasn't how I wanted to picture Jimmyboy. I do like a few of their songs, very few. But def "People are Strange." The strange thing is I used to think he was so hot back in freshmen year... I even got caught spraying fake snow on the mcdonald's parking lot in big letters that said "I <3 Jim Morrison" and the manager sent the cops to find me and my friends (not hard, we were covered in fake snow lol) because he thought it was spray paint and freaked out! The cop loved the doors, so it was all good.
WHATS TO LIKE ABOUT JIM MORRISON? He was a legend.. a true Rock and Roll star. He was dark and mysterious and that is so attractive to me. Not only was he insane, but intriguing as well. His words sometimes sound like mambo jumbo but you have to think about the deeper meaning. He had so much power - he could control minds. I know he was a drunk... but genius, pure genius. Imagine having the power to get into peoples heads so deeply that they start a riot. He was a performer who did his job well (even though he showed up drunk a lot). People were drawn in. I am drawn in. oh and the movie only portrays one side of Jim Morrison.. not the loving and sensitive side. Try reading "No One Here Gets Out Alive"... You will grow understand him and the genius behind the music.
The main point that those days artists like him where trying to find something alternative to improve the world. And now who is doing this? Can anyone name me pop or rock star who has as huge influence upon social and political life as groups and artists of 60es? )))
)) Oh one more his was more poet rather than singer. I don't mean he had bad voice or was not good singer. But his nature was nature of a poet.
Social and political life was different back then. Saying what you want on stage got more attention then because some people were shocked 'cause they didn't hear things like that on tv or record like before. Come on baby, bite my wire. It's no big deal anymore.
i liked the sound of the doors because of the organist/keyboardist, or whatever they did that sounded like one, and how they used that. i have no idea who that person was. i really know nothing about any of the rest of them and can't think of any good reason why i should feel compelled that i ought to. haven't seen the movie. not panning it, just not very likely to. not high on my list of priorities. have no idea what's good, bad or indifferent about any of them other then as i've mentioned. that and some of their compositions were fairly noteworty and enjoyable. no time, venus, i don't know for sure if either of those or others from that era, which of them were even there's or not. just that there were some i liked a lot. but i never got into big name persoanalities. just not really my thing. i mean what kind of sense does it make to judge anyone you don't personaly know anyway? unless the're doing something that directly affects your life or large numbers of others in some unusualy positive or negative way. like politicians do. corporate ceo's, anonimous engineers, writers in genre's that interest me. individual musicians for the most part not. other then in the sense of their cultural influence and the effects and resaults of that influence. which i don't think most of them actualy plan anyway. =^^= .../\... =^^= .../\...
JIM MORRISON is the best....HE is too good for you to understand... his poetry is perfect...and he knows perfect what he wanted to tell....you dont know...thats why it didn't impressed you....yes, its an example to everyone of us, for everybody....and if you dont understand thre is no reason to explain....we love him for ever, his music... the way he is... the way he lived his life... he lived the way he wanted, and he got what he wanted... you cant have what you want... and you cant be free like he was....thats why you fuck shit up without a reason and try to understand things that you'll never have to know. he used drugs because he was free to do it...and yes, if somebody wants drugs...he's free to have them...you dont understand this.... I love JIM MORRISON from the first time I saw the film....I watched it and there is no doubt that he is the BEST , that he could be as he wanted....and he was FREE....thats it why we love him...hes talented....hes the BEST....enaugh said....
He was a beautiful genius; what's not to be intrigued by? I don't want to be Jim, and I can't say I respect some of the things he did in the midst of his drunkenness and insanity but I am still intrigued by his mind which, in some aspects, I'm afraid is somewhat close to the way mine works in a few ways. The movie portrayed him as more of a drunken buffoon than he really was.. honest, it did. Look up some information about his life online, read some books.. I'd rather believe what the people who knew and loved him had to say than what Oliver Stone had to say. The Doors made a trippy movie considering Stone seemed to be trying to emulate an acid trip but definitely did not make an accurate life biography. Jim Morrison had serious mind problems which led him to become a drunk.. that much is probably the truth. But his intellegence, spirituality and words do something for me. I love The Doors.. they hit me on a level that no other band has.. it's hard to explain, really. I am intrigued.
It was not only saying something that shocks. On the oter hand even one word can have consequences that no one can predict. But there was much more than words, and especially if we are talking about Jim and the Doors. My opinion of course ))
I do ignore the Beatles and i'll tell you why, I don't concider them rock, I concider them more on the pop side and Velvet Underground I've heard of them one of my Favorite bands are influenced by them and I've heard The Doors And Velvet Underground made up their own unique sound and on the Doors movie the girl (forgot her name, she's blonde) is played there. As for Greatful Dead haven't heard them. lovenminx: Val was made to play him as a jerk, it was Oliver Stone's look on Jim not everything was correct, But he did a pretty good job on the singing scenes. greenbullets: Same here i watched the film and thought the same as you, I didn't think of Jim as an alcoholic or anything else they portrayed him as. I thought of him as a genuis.
I started this thread, and have been keeping up on reading all the posts, and I am altering my rather negative opinion of Jim Morrison, and am convinced that he was really not such a " bad guy" after all. I like his music.! I was a teenager when Jim first appeared on the scene, and I really loved the Doors, and bought "albums", and smoked a bowl and tripped out in front of my monster speakers to "Light my Fire". I guess I never really knew anything much about him as a person, so when I saw the Oliver Stone "Doors" movie, I reacted rather strongly. I guess much has happened to me in 55 years of living to change my ideas about peoples acceptable social behavior. After having five children, one looks at wild and drunken behavior as a safety threat, and natually turns away from it to protect offspring. So, to a mother, Jim seems like a derelict and an undesirable character, someone to stay away from. Maybe he was a great poet and a genius, and had an intense stage presence, and maybe the movie was not a complete picture of him. I should hope so.! Im giving him a second chance, and will look into his life and poetry..... And maybe I will " Break on through to the other side". LOL
Glad to hear this man, A lot of people just watch the movie and think of Jim as bad guy, which he really wasn't. That's all Oliver Stone's Fault, Not Jim's, Of course Jim drank a few too many but nothing like the movie showed he did.
Jim Morrison was a poet. He read the works of Aldous Huxley and knew that the people of America were slowly losing their humanity: they were becoming something Corporate America could buy and sell. Jim tried to 'break through' with the music; he tried open his mind and the minds of others with drugs (esp. LSD and peyote); he tried to save people, but failed. He was looking for something better in life than what he had; what options he had to choose from Corporate America's market, but he never found it. He tried to find it before the doors and it was Ray Manzarek that convined him to start a band. He tried to find it while he was in the Doors. He then, after, rejected the Doors and went to recording his own poetry and thoughts in a studio sans Doors. He wanted something out of life other than "a house, a car and 2.4 children"; he wanted something sacred. He never got it in this world and spend most of his time in his own world and I think, maybe, he gave up on the celebrity status and left the corruption behind and fled. There is no proof that he's dead apart from a grave and a certificate siged by a government from a world that despised him and his vision anyway. He may be in Africa. He wanted that. He said he was going to live anonymously in Paris for a while, write a book etc. but he may have changed his name. The Doors percussionist, John Densmore, once said that the Grave was too short to fit Jim in, anyway. Also, isn't it convenient that Pam died shortly after him? Basically, he was a confused, unsatisfied man who went through a downward period in his life - as many folk do - until his realisation. Only, his downward period is what we all know as his career and his realisation happenned at the time that we are lead to believe he died at. Look between the lines. Do not look too hard, though, 'cos you won't find what you want - just Elektra Records' money-making edits of his musings. also, he was the first rock star to truely fulfill SEX DRUGS N ROCK'N'ROLL " Jim, RIP if you are under there 'R'-ing in 'P' " :spliff: