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  1. Asmodean

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    Herd animals actually thrive better in good conditions under human care than in the wild. They also die a lot better. If not kept for dairy the cows often aren't removed from their calves.
    You might simply be at odds with the fact that nature is harsh. Herd animals only purposes are to eat, procreate and a certain amount of them gets eaten (safety in numbers lifestyle). It's their freaking purpose wether there are humans or not.
    The far majority of farmers dislikes animal abuse just as much as you and neonspectraltoast.
    In the worst cases cows experience the despair you attribute to them, in a lot of cases I think they don't.

    I myself am mostly on the fence about transportation to the slaughterhouse and keeping them inside too much instead of mainly letting them outside grazing in nature. They do get treated awfully well inside (as they're literally cash cows :() but this form of intensive dairy farm impacts the environment negatively.
    The overly selective breeding is unwanted imo too but I wonder what you find so bad about it?
    And the sheer amount of them is of course problematic. But the concept of keeping them captive... Yeah, that's a human thing ;) If lived in captivity under the right conditions a 'freed' cow will long for those days ever after.. Well, if they run out of grass or have really bad shelter (or are chased by a predator, either with deadly fangs and claws or some loony with a spear :D). Otherwise they're real good at living in the moment.
     
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  2. Asmodean

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    I hope you realize it is more important to you and how you feel things are better natural (something i at first instance and in general would agree with), than for most cows.
    You may be more at odds with the conditions HOW a lot of cows are kept in captivity (like i am). If you know cows you know a good life in captivity suits them a lot. Now, I agree that a lot of cows don't live good lifes. But we should not get lost in human concepts and glorifications of what's natural or not (and hey, im prone to this too! and often it does make sense :)) but primarily look at the facts and observe and learn from cows by dealing with them.
     
  3. Driftrue

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    I'm "okay" with it, but it doesn't feel right to me. It's not freedom.

    @Asmodean you make more guesses at what cows would want, what they think and feel, than I do.

    Selectively breeding an intelligent creature in order to make it docile and have a higher meat yield just creeps me out. People don't feel the gratitude of a hunter, they feel that meat is their right. Meat is only the right of the carnivore that can kill it.
     
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    A reading from the book of Timothy..
    3They order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving..

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    Yeah I've been around enough cows. We just don't agree here, Asmo. If an animal is better off and happier in captivity, fine, but that is for the cows to say. You saying it for them is the exact sense of righteous ownership that makes me uncomfortable.

    I will not go on about this though : ) you all carry on. We all know in our hearts what is right for us, and sharing perceptions is only for widening our understanding, not enforcing them on others. I will say no more about cows. Today.
     
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    A week of wakeboarding and waterskiing.
     
  8. Driftrue

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    Cool : )
     
  9. Asmodean

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    I'm not guessing. I know they do. What do you think im guessing about? It would be an educated guess at the very least.
    To me it seems you're assuming stuff out of ideals.

    Thanks for explaining. My main concern are dairy cows with absurdly large utters and no meat at all :( And of course healthy balanced breeds getting endangered and the same few kind of cows getting kept allover the world.
    Sounds like the problem is consumer behavior (for which i have much more understanding) more so than keeping cows in captivity. If these consumers would have to kill or even see their meat get killed half of them would stop :p I'm not against making this something obligatory.
     
  10. Asmodean

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    So, im not sure at all... but can't shake the thought it has something to do with that other user who got her account deleted.
     
  11. Asmodean

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    We can see what cows 'say' about it by observing and dealing with them. I don't wanna talk for them. I was talking about them.

    Sometimes people differ on that. I would swear meat in moderation is right for us ;)
    Edit: i applaud most other peoples dietary choices though :) Except of course too regular over indulgence (pigging out on meat every once in awhile is bearable)

    Yups.
     
  12. guerillabedlam

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    I was going to continue on with the cow thing but I'll just leave it at this, I can appreciate the notion of Cow Sentience but when the space aliens invade, I'm going to be helping and fighting alongside humans rather than worrying about cows.
     
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    sounds like an honest living.
    i've hurd tell vegitables have an opinion on that too.
    everything that lives sees through its own eyes.

    closes i've ever been to agriculture is setting onions and picking hazels and in a strawberry packing plant,
    but i've grunt an clum sum with heavy equipment out in the woods, keepin the railroad running on tracks it won't fall off of,
    and then out in the desert, on a core sample drill rig, seein all those stars at night and singing with the coyotes,
    a few other odd little things like that. grew up a long way from any city.
    but it was mountains and forest rather then farm and ranch country.
     
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    The aphids get looked after very well by the ants but get their wings bitten off.
     
  16. Asmodean

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    Although some might argue the opposite (silly humans :rolleyes: ), to ensure humans and a lot of other animals keep thriving on earth we need to worry about cows. More so than about a possible threat of invading extraterrestrials
     
  17. guerillabedlam

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    Are you suggesting we should arm the cows?
     
  18. Driftrue

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    with laser guns on their heads that activate when they moo. they'll figure it out soon enough.
     
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    Never liked those cruel beings! They also give socialism a bad name :D
     
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    cows with fricking laser beams..
     
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