Whats all this jazz about ego loss really about...

that's ego breaking away...something in our brains related to somekine of guilt helps cause that. You have at least identified it so it will be easier to overcome in the future.

Don't be self critical on acid. It really can take you down. :cheers2:

 

another way to look at ego is like a mask. i behave differently around some people than others. around friends i tend to relax more and be myself but around strangers and in a formal situations, more reserved. around friends my ego/mask is let down more than it is in most other situations. i guess that most people have heard of wearing 'masks' in public. i imagine it's to blend in with your societal group of the moment and probably a valued evolutionary response in our earlier development. i still see its value today but it isn't as necessary as it once was. dropping or losing your ego, allows your true self or soul to come forward fully and express itself.

on my first trip i realized my oneness with the universe and that can only happen with a loss of ego.

 

ego-loss refers to the state that can be attained both through psychedelics and through meditation. is basically the awareness of self as else. the edges of self blur in2 the else. the realisation that all is 1. total unity with the universe. definately a beautiful thing but also definately duznt need any drug to be taken to be experienced. the interconnectivity of the universe.
that is my understanding of it. have experienced it.

but i think most of the "street acid" is very low microgram doses and usually not very fresh so not exactly pure lsd because it has degraded/deterioted into other chemicals. that is my understanding anyways. so that state i dont think can be achieved from the small doses most people r having. threshold doses. i think if u really wanna go there u have to go there. i would definately recommend mushrooms over lsd from the ego loss thing also.

love and blessings

namaste

 

Richard Alpert explains ego death really well in this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAgoEn82Bmo

it's like you die without actually dying - your whole identity and all you've learned and have been taught and told since birth and your ego - any way that you differentiate yourself from others disappears from your psyche and you become one with all and melt into eternity (for a couple hours) - that's basically the ego loss/death part of the acid experience

 

but now he's ram dass

 

Im reading his book "be here now" atm. good read, very interesting.

 

For all the people who have experienced ego loss (I have not. I can't even fathom it), how does it compare to the state brought about by large doses of dissociatives (I have not experienced this either)?

 

is that by Dr. Richard Alpert.

if so that is a really amazing book hey. i hasnt read all of it but is definately amazing

 

In my experience they are very similar, the state you reach mentally not the distortion of the senses. The only difference is that with mushrooms, I've gone to the point of total non existance, a state of non state, of non being, the kind of death that is not just tapping into the universal consciousness but rather tapping into it, dissolving into it, and then dying into Spirit afterwards which as if ego death wasnt hard enough to describe, this is totally without expression.
If I could only explain it any way, Id have to say that it was the opposite of what many of us expect to happen beyond death, no heaven or hell, no reincarnation, no ceasing to be (initially), but going through everything possible at once and THEN there was nothing.
And after however long that lasted (cant remember, I was dead mind you), I came back but when I was born, the whole universe banged out first, then the light banged out some billions of years, then everything happened and then, finally, my enviorment reassembled itself and I came back settling into my mind and then my body grew out from it.
I've had much experience with PCP and N20 while a teenager, and I've tried Ketamine twice, but never were they anything this spectacular and shattering to my beliefs and my hopes.
Ego death is one thing, but transcending that is not for everyone and it didnt happen for me until well over 100 heavy mushroom experiences over the years. Honestly it was the most painful and frightening experience to date for me, because in between the visions of God and the visions of the univerese assembling I would go in and out of intense seizures and my whole body was pins and needles to the point of burning. But once I came out of that reversal of time and space (the peak, Im sure), my body went back to normal. Though it took about 30 minutes or so of walking around stumbling in a thunderstorm trying to locate my body and wake myself up, as I was 100% convinced that I was dreaming and desperatley wanting it to end.

 

Yeah he changed his name to Ram Dass after going to India

 

Very similar. I see the Disso's as being another method for this, sometimes I find it much less intense than a serotonergic approach, sometimes I find it much more intense. The hard part with those is dosage; too little and you're just having a ball, too much and it's too confusing to even realize the loss. There is a sweet sliver of dosage in which your mind as you know it is formatted in a way, but your Self is still coherent enough to inspect this state.

Disso's can be very spiritual, and i think that is an aspect often neglected. I discovered this for myself yesterday, I was bumping K all day being in a perpetual plateau 2, and I learned a lot about myself and other people.

 

ya ego breaking away...its pretty powerful i just need to be mind clear and im not fucking my life up or anything..i should wait for summer

 

It was a feeling of emptiness for me.

I wasn't sad, I wasn't happy. I didn't wanna live, I didn't wanna die.

Eventually it was awesome, some days later when those familiar necessary bits of my old self started coming back. A lot of the negativity went away.

 

I say an ego death is when you realize that you don't really exist. Your body does, but your mind, your thoughts really don't exist. This leads to other thoughts...

 

how do you figure your body exists but your mind doesn't? that is exactly the opposite of what one can conclude lol. the only real thing you really know is your thoughts, everything else we just have to believe our senses

 

i see lots of loss here lol...

 

I definatly believe in a third presence, the soul as you say, but I left it out because I believe it cant be directly affected by drugs of any kind, What the mind and heart feel are by no means the souls infinite... thats why I asked, is it more the physical sensation of everything dissapearing, or the pychological sensation that all is gone.... because your soul has always been there, and always will. regardless of the rest. I just want to know what everyone else is feeling that leads to this realization of atman

 

I dig this very much, thanks.

 

One last thing, I have a seperate spiritual practice non-related to entheogens of any kind. I can say that I know to the best of my perception that we all have a soul, and taking any substance isn't necessary to come in contact with it. Im not trying to preach, they can definatly assist in clearing your "ego" but sadly at the same time, there are so many out there who live like shells, egoless sure, but really accepting this cosmic fact in the middle of life? theres so much out there to physically and mentally experience, your soul isnt going anywhere, and if it wasnt for your ego you would have never had any inclination to dose at all, or do anything for that matter... yum yum mushy mush