What ya think of gas$$$$$$$$

well then i guess it's hopeless and we should all just surrender to our corporate petro-oil masters. resistance is futile. poor us, we're so powerless, boo hoo.


i'm glad i don't share your worldview.


I'll be quite grateful for the opportunity to drive my veggie van while that opportunity exists, and embrace whatever new opportunities arise when it doesn't.

 

I hate to break it to you guys but it's half the price people pay in most of Europe! I've lived here 4 yrs now and it's still cheeper than what I was paying in England.

 

I don't go anywhere because of gas prices.

 

Just because someone else is getting screwed worse shouldn't make it okay that it's happening to me... it just further underscores the fact that an industry that turns ten billion dollars in profit for just one of its corporations is getting away with price fixing and gouging on a global scale. Meanwhile, viable alternatives are being shot down... in the United States this is partially because the government doesn't want to jeopardize the tax revenue they currently collect- the amount is directly related to how much is burned. It's not even in their fiscal interest to promote more efficient cars.

Every State of the Union address given by our Commander in Chimp features lip service to break our "addiction to oil"... it was exactly that- lip service. They have done nothing. Any debate is a charade put on for our benefit- to make us think that something is being done when not only nothing is being done but valuable time is being wasted on disingenuous debate.

Meanwhile our destabilization of Iraq continues to cost lives...

 

It's actually the government that's responsible for the high price of gas in England, but in reality, does it matter who's screwing you? Don't drive, don't travel, buy a more fuel efficient car, go on (or organize) a march about gas prices (or the lack of refinaries), use public transport or move to the cities if you don't like the price of gas. Otherwise quit bitching about it and suck it up.

 

"Quit bitching" as in shut up about it? Hell no! I drive a reasonably efficient car already and drive as little as possible as it is. Price gouging doesn't just affect me at the pump... it affects everything in the marketplace that relies on petroleum fuel for transportation. It's driving the cost of everything up... it's siphoning off a standard of living and placing it in the pockets of obscenely rich oil company executives.

Whether or not I adapt my own driving habits to account for it, I'm still getting screwed and I'm not going to be nice about it None of us should be nice about it... we need to do whatever it takes to get peoples' attention to make whatever changes necessary to keep as much of what I'm breaking my ass to earn in my pocket. Do we write our congressmen? Probably easy to ignore and marginalize us... do we march on Washington? Not likely to make a difference- it has been shown that they couldn't give two shits what we think or want to say and any march will be kept far away from the folks who need to see and hear what we have to say.

There needs to be a tangible threat to the comfy lifestyles enjoyed by those who would pretend to represent us come campaign time. The cash flow into big oil needs to be imperiled as well... and our government has demonstrated its refusal to support that. Government does not represent us; does not give a flying fuck what we have to say or what our concerns are. Our usefulness is limited to the taxes that are collected from us and the votes we cast choosing from the preselected list of candidates thrown in front of us in the voting booth.

I will not shut up... I have no intention of rolling over as though it's okay to be screwed over just because the bloated pig warmongers in Washington say it's legal. Our government is waging a war of attrition against its citizens and it's time us citizens fight back.

 

they won't be high enough until people actually stop driving unless they really really have to.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU_uW-_5bPk

Test and tune, I also went through 25pounds of nitrous oxide a few weekends ago at about 135$ worth.....they cant stop me....

 

So what are you going to do, given what you're doing at the moment doesn't seem to work?

 

Fuel prices to me are just one of those things. I drive a 5 mpg vehicle 1074 miles in a 24 hour time span, I idle a 650 HP engine for the comfort of AC and heat and even when Im not in it I let it idle.


There are so so many other things to worry about than fuel prices.

 

Why bother debating with you? You have the tame placid mindset that government and big business loves... let's just roll over since there's nothing we can do. It's people like you that enable big business and big government to continue getting away with stealing. Go troll elsewhere please.

 

for once, i agree with you. (i must confess, i like the viciously high prices. i've never seen so many people riding their bikes to work, riding the busses, or walking).

 

I'm expanding on this being mindful that it wasn't exactly the most constructive response... essentially I allowed myself to be drawn into a verbal slugfest to some degree. Instead of sweeping it under the proverbial rug I'm re-wording my response in a more civilly palatable manner.

Personally, I can do zero about the prices... I'm not so delusional as to actually believe that I alone can effect change in global price structure-- but if you're happy marginalizing me as being that out of touch with reality then more power to you... all I can do is express my opinions and hope I can influence other peoples' way of thinking. That's it-- and there's no way of quantifying how effective that is.

I must give a nod to the above replies that say more people riding their bikes and walking are a good effect of the prices. The reality is that if such behavior had enough of an effect in the market to bring the prices down then the people would start driving again... and sales of gas hog SUVs and other automotive behemoths would go back up.

I HAVE to drive to work at this point... walking and biking are not at all practical. We need to hold our government accountable for not actively pursuing alternative renewable energy sources and only paying lip service to breaking our so-called addiction to oil. Things that CAN be done is organizing car pools for transportation to and from work... and organize grocery car pools where multiple families can compile lists and take one trip to the supermarket.

Make no mistake I have ZERO expectation that real change will be seen until the gouging precipitates economic disaster.

 

You really don't understand where I'm coming from do you? You can come on here and bitch and moan about gas prices, or you can do like I did and give to groups like the Union of Concerned Scientists or go and campaign for green candidates in elections (candidates whose green credentials were identified by people like the League of Conservation Voters), just like I did.

You can write to your congressman and senator and call on them to campaign on better fuel economy for cars. You can visit your senator or congressman when he holds (what are called in England) advice surgeries. You can bring your friends to those meeting. And go prepared so he can't fob you off.

Organize petitions.

Campaign for his oponent, there's nothing that clarifies the mind like the possibility of losing.

Go to meetings he's speaking at and ask questions.

Become active in your congressman's political party.

Vote early and often.

There are 1001 things you could do. I've done a lot about them, but until you've done all of them and still got no response, you can't complain.

 

I appreciate you taking the time to reply... and no I didn't understand where you came from originally- plus I misread your post and responded in a less than constructive way... I did not edit out that response- partially as a reminder to myself that I need to weigh my words carefully before delivering them...

I've actually written three congressmen- one a couple different times months apart... and got the same form letter response in snail mail about how he's working on a new energy bill blah blah blah... The other two never responded.

I appreciate your response and shall be weighing possibilities in sounding off as well as fighting this insidious apathy that afflicts just about everyone here. It's tough to combat the attitude that nothing one can do will make any difference so why try.

Unfortunately in the United States of Corpomerica things will need to get way worse before common folks like myself start taking matters into their own hands and by then it will be too late.