What Will You Do When The System Collapses?

If only mine were still alive.

 

Neither are mine.
No, seriously, yes they are.
But, if they were not, I think I'd rather dig six feet under than live in a world where I had nothing and could not rely on my government to support me.

 

thats completely insane to me..

wow... id rather be 6 feet under than have my government support me...

just damn...

what a fucked up world...

 

Holy fuck ! I agree with you ! However we do pay taxs for such things. So unemployment is there for a short time. And you paid for it. But in the long run you need to take care of yourself.

Peace

 

your taxes dont fund unemployment your employer pays into a state ran insurance program for unemployment.. you as a employee pay 0.

 

I did not say that.
I said i'd rather be 6 feet under than live in a world where I could not rely on my government to look after me.

 

and i said id rather be dead than have to "rely on my government to look after me".brush up on your reading comprehension skills,,there was no quotation..

i also said thats insane!!

an for once it would seem silver hippy and i see eye to eye on here..

 

I see.
I knew I should have carried on ignoring you.
Lesson learnt.

 

Naw we saw eye to eye on music too. But that seems to be it !

Peace

 

oh yeah,, i stand corrected..

 

Moving back in with Mum n Dad.. does not fix anything but puts more pressure on poor ole Mum n Dad.. take it from poor ole Mum..we have 3 outta 6 kids living with us..each in their own 'place' but as unenployment is high in Texas, esp around these parts where there's not much industry it has been up to Mum n Dad to pay for everything.. we have 10 extra mouths to feed and the utillities are way beyond what we can carry.. esp in the summer time when ya have to have AC or die.. With all the houses (5) altogether we pay over 1,200 a month just in electricity.. and the prices just keep going up.. I have been praying for a Windmill to pump up the water from our well..since the Ozarka water co.. moved in and sucked our all our underground water supply we need our well redug and another 20 feet of pipe added. The windmill would generate electricity and we would be off the grid..to do that would cost 20,000 and I don't see that manifesting today.. more the opposit.. But then I think.. here we will be with water n ele.. when no one else has it.. we will become hated and everyone will be at our door when the collaps comes.. we are wide open here.. pastures mostly.. all flat and not many trees to hide us anymore... but we are well armed and skilled, one advantage to numbers.

 

just burn everything to the ground...

 

that's like attacking yourself, we have little babies here..I think alternative energy is more logical and more affective.. as I said eariler.. younguns and olduns can't tolerate the scorching heat in the summer..winters are not as bad as in some of the northern states and can still grow root veggies till Dec.. If worse comes to worse, we can move three families of four into the main house and shut the rest down.. we have had 12 living in the main house before and we managed.. is why we expanded in the first to accomodate the offspring.. but prices were lower back then and I was able to work outside the home.. pluse there were no grandkids when we started.. now we are up to 31 in just us n the kids n their kids.. not all of them live here right now.. but they all have lived here at one time or the other and is where they will all come when it all goes down.. and then some... Is why I feel it an emergency to get Wind Energy.. Solar is not a good option bc of weather issues and doesn't address the water issue.

 

I wasn't being completely serious.

But...
If my parents were in the same predicament as yourself, I'd not impose myself onto them.

The plus side...
They do not have the same outgoings and financial pressures as yourself.
Their morgage is paid, they drive a car that is within a £25 (a year) tax bracket, and my dad has semi retired, and has a fairly decent pension.
As for my mum, she works within the NHS so her job is pretty much secure.
Perhaps none of that would matter if the system collapsed!

The downside...
I'd have to have no where else to go and be pretty much destitute for them to take me back full time.

The more realistic option would probably involve pooling my resources and my brothers resources and moving somewhere with them.

The likelyhood is this scenario (Skips) will not happen.
So, I'm pretty much speculating about something I don't know where i'll be financially speaking (job etc).
I don't have any debts or anything that can't be canceled with no hardship to myself.
So, really it would be my living arrangements that would be top priority.

The simplest solution would be to move in with mum and dad, atleast for a while.

If my government could not look after me then what sort of country am I living in. If they are pumping in £23 million every week to the E.U, I'd hope they could atleast afford the £80 rent I pay a week and look after the people they are supposedly working for.

I have no desire to "live off the grid" in any shape or form... so would look for my government to look after me.

Saying all that, first thing I'd like to know is if this collapse is complete with no likelyhood of the system recoveing.
Morgages, utility bills etc would be a meaningless concept so survival would be key.

It seems Skip is not saying that.
It seems: what would you do if these sytems collapsed but there was work being done to recover (I imagine in a very short space of time.)
That scenario would just mean I have to survive a few years perhaps 5 at the most.

There is a very large money pot countries can collect from and we live in a global village.
The whole entire word economy would have to collapse for us not to have time to recover.
Governments not to have resources to manage the essentials and some form of normal life to continue.

If that was not the case...
In that situation I would rather be six feet under...thank.

 

sounds to me like the kids are mooching off poor old mum... everyone else seems to be able to live independently...

 

SH you've probably looked into additional insulation, if not do so but I would suggest also looking into earth bermed houses or underground houses at least for the summer time. You might be able to convert some of your houses.

About the windmill Mother Earth News has books on DIY windmills.

 

Funny how we have plenty of resources to throw at the Iraqi war, the banking industry, and technologies that make us dependent on oil, but when it comes to renewable energy, efficient public transportation, and technologies that would reduce our dependency, we come up hopelessly short. But then dependency is good for the economy, right? Our culture revolves around dependency, which is doing us in.

You can get off the grid if you can afford to get off the grid, but if you're gonna stay put for long enough for it to pay off, it makes a lot of sense. I'm just hoping we'll start seeing more subsidies and incentives after the next election.

As for unemployment, we may not pay into the system directly as workers, but you better believe we pay into it in the form of lower wages. I've never been in the least ashamed of collecting unemployment benefits. I figure I've paid my dues, having served my country and paid my way through college and grad school, why should I lose my income because some corporate honcho who makes ten times what I do figures it best for his bottom line to eliminate my job?

 

Just a thought, but with 6 "kid's" around, get some plans and have them build the Windmill with locally sourced materials for you, then use that to power your own homemade drill rig to get that well down to the aquafer again, ya' could probably cut that $20k down to $2k. Likely you could buy most of the raw materials you would need from a local scrap yard.

 

Well, depends on which countries really. I think there are a few places like China where thou it would be hard, it would be a simple enough step for their Government to reverse back fully to the tennants of Communism (or Socialism in other places) which in essence does not require any form of currency for it to survive as an Isolationist Nation being that all things belong to the State / "People" and for all, producing goods and providing service to the State for the good of te state pretty much helps ensure their needs will be met (In principal). At least thats how I'd see things go down there.

 

It wasn't always like that here..When everyone was working they did contribute and help out..but things change.. and jobs seem to slip away and you are left with nothing to fall back on.. it's hard to catch up when you do find work.. I think I was having a nervous dreakdown on my previous post.. My hubby is not a person to worry about money, we usually have enough to get by.. but when he says he's worried about making next months bills then I have a tendency to really worry.. I told all the Offspring that I was unpluging them from the pole and that the Free Ride was over.. and they would have to come up with some cash to pay their own bills..I haven't seen two of them in a couple of days, since I told them..they actually went to work.. I think sometimes when you pray you have to pray loudly to be heard..