what the bleep do we know?!

When I said God's will I definitely didnt mean it like that. But this tends to happen when the word God is used I guess.
The order and chaos is God, so are the attempts at explaining the spiritual side as if it can be explained, whether you call it God or not doesn't matter it's all the same One thing.
But this is not magic, magic only means an action that occurs which the mechanics of the action are not made clear to you. It doesnt mean that they dont happen, just that when they do we dont understand how, or why. Like creation for example, or the chaotic order of circular Mother Nature.
Documentaries are nothing of course and can always be better. What you say I agree with, about the world being beautiful enough as it is. Direct experience is all that matters. Any instant where someone says "Yes there is a God" or "No there is no God" is in fact the same sentence and both are incorrect. There is no God outside of you and you are not outside of God. God can neither be refuted nor proven, so both sentences are a waste of time. What I chose to call God and what you may chose to call God are in fact both the same happenings that we marvel at.
But when you look at this world, when you can experience the motion, the life within every single 'thing' that exists, you will feel it vibrating. Everything is vibrating, and a vibration can ALWAYS be altered provided the force interfering has a strong enough interruption. Why is that magic, or why bring unicorns into the discussion? A unicorn and my theory that reality can be manipulated by thought may both only exist in people's minds, but I ask you, why doesnt exist in mind? When you look at the basic principles of Nature, how could She not have come from some kind of thought initially? Not that it's the same way of thinking that we have, but it didnt just happen.
But whatever that can be argued forever, I just think it's fairly obvious when you look at chaos that it indeed is in perfect, unalterable order, and that it is us, using our minds, who can not see past that and render it as chaos. Chaos is only as such to those who cant understand it's mechanics, and surely, that would be all of us.

 

i found it entertaining as hell. doesn't mean i believed it; but ramtha was a running joke between myself and my friends for a while after seeing it...

 

And lode, really man, the one thing I asked you not to take in the wrong way you either did and dug into it, or you are just saying these things about God not being concerned with your life to make a point to others who are reading this. I just want to make it clear that I really hope you dont take me for someone who thinks hes important and that God gives me messages or some bullshit like that. I realize that the ego is the only thing which craves such attention, that sort of parasitic mind attachment is what causes people to believe that if they pray for the hot girl at work they will have her. This may be possible, but it wouldnt happen because it has nothing to do with anything save for satisfying the ego's desires. And if life means anything, it seems to teach us that we are happy when we are selfless, and ruined by desire.
But I mean when you have said before, that someone once told you that you dont need a reason to help someone, well this goes right along with what I've been saying before how Love is the fabric of reality. If people want to associate war, disease, etc. with God and say that it's not all about Love, well then they just have much to learn. We are not here to question why does this all happens, we are here just to experience it and eventually leave it. Nothing more nothing less. Our minds are made to receive, interpret, and project energy, and that's all. The body is just the host. But there is a beauty, a Love, that when people experience it it cant just be denied. It's all about what you do afterwards with that experience under your belt that matters.
Physical energy is not the same as astral/causal energy it merley reflects it. It operates in a similar way but it is bound by higher laws which we are not constantly exposed to when we chose to ignore them. Why do you exist? You didnt ask to be brought here. Yet you were! That acceptance allows the mind to open up to a different reality all together, far removed from any desire to know why, or how, or when. None of that bullshit matters and that's why i dont care to see this documentary. But transcending awareness WILL lead you to an entirely different awareness, and you can realize that this 'reality' is not exactly what it seems and that, really what do we know? :tongue:

 

Im pretty sure it does. For example, ever thrown something and visualized the after math, and it turned out right. Even deja vu has that eerie feeling that both are connected, or jamais vu which ive experienced a few times.

Theres no knowing what our brain can do to the world and vise versa.

 

I'm simply stating, John my friend, that I don't believe that god will intervene in our live in any way, even if it's for the benefit of us, or others.

The universe simply unfolds based on complicated mathematical formulas which are partly chaotic and can never be fully predicted.

And we have willpower, which lets us try to struggle against all of these natural forces and try to survive. I don't believe god is either warfare or peace. I believe those are states of societies.

I breathe the air and I feel the warm sun shine it's blessings upon me. And there is a lot of power and love from all that. But I don't think accepting that opens up a new reality to me.

Just makes this one more beautiful. And I still don't believe it makes impossible things just happen because people will it to be so.

 

Fair enough friend
You remind me of Shambhala Vision, not to assign you mentally to a cult or to a lifestyle (nor is Shambhala either) I know your a unique and brite individual, but the way you speak so lovingly towards Nature without giving any personal creations adapted to names or personifications, whether spiritual or purely poetic.
I do realize that the way I speak on God is a bit out there, I honestly do conceive Her mentally as a Girl, for reason's that would take books to even attempt to share with people. I only wish to make it clear, if to anyone online at least you and my other respectable friends on random thoughts, that I dont ultimatley understand God to be anything at all, other than everything and where everything came from, is sustained by, and goes back to. I never think that God is personaly concerned with our descisions, because it should be quite clear that it is only us as humans who create our own heaven and hell.
Even the concept of karma is so poorly misunderstood because the closest connection you can assume it to resemble in matters of mechanics and law, is that of computer programs, and the ancient rishi's didnt have much back then with which to make it clear. But it would be that God has us programmed, what is chaos and what is order doesnt matter, and whether God is directly involved in every atom, every baby universe popping in and out of existance, every breath we take, or God just allowed it all to unfold and is it's source but transcendental and we are waiting to return to a more, I guess, original state? But it is the mindset of repremandation and retribution that really troubles my nerves at times, because that is US who hurts ourselves, by remaining attached. God is not concerned with what you do, what you eat, who you sleep with, who you kill, how many drops of acid you take, how many yoga sadhana's you perform, that is our concern and ours alone. For if we are truly all One, as even Jesus mentioned in roundabout ways, then why would any of us, or any animal, plant, molecule, vibrational string pattern, not return eventually to the state of pure and all comprehending/inclusive awareness which created us? It makes no sense, we're all equal in terms of freedom and existance, and we are all aware of the fact that we are aware, everything else is just mental baggage and accumlated ego circular form.

Im glad we had this discussion friend, I feel that by sharing this kind of insight we both learn and teach while we teach and learn.
However I do think that reality is malliable, considering that I am of the impression that reality is but a leak of mind, a drop of dream in the ocean of God consciousness. But that will also always remain subjective and up to personal insight/perception.
Thank you lode and God bless you
Namaste

 

we all are....


beauty.

 

...Except for you
Just kidding Josh you know I got mad God Love for ya :tongue:

 

It's all about the mad love yo.

 

damn...i was going to say something when i started reading this thread, but once i got to the end, Relayer had said everything I was going to say and so much more.
as for the documentary , i am interested in the quantum theory, but it didn't quench my thirst for knowledge at all. it barely touched on the basics at all. but that's expected, it's hard to speak on such a complex subject in under 2 hours.