What Salvia is like the first time

There is a huge difference for me.

- I find salvia smoke to be somewhat harsh and without the bong water cooling it down I can barely get any sort of legitimate hit off of it.

- You can fill a bong with WAAAAAY more smoke than you can a pipe.

 

i agree with guerilla

 

Hmm. I just never did it because it makes the piece taste terrible and the bwl is much easier to clean out thoroughly. I dont find the smoke to be too bad, and aslong as you keep the torch on it the whole time it vaporises perfectly.

Still, I'll give it a try in the bubler or something next time see what I think.

 

It just hits you a lot harder, if you try you will see.

 

one hit off 20x from the bong and i was gone
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I tend to differ and can only recommend smoking from a pipe.
Preferably wooden.

 

when i smoke out of a pipe i only get trails and green lines
the pulling effect is there too but not so much.
idk...i guess it differs for ppl..

i still think a water pipe[bong] is best though

 

Maybe that's why you only have dysphoric trips from it

 

I had dysphoric trips because I smoked Salvia, not because of what I smoked it from.
Can't a guy recommend something in peace?

 

Iam pretty sure i wouldnt try that, that kinda changed what i think about salvia. Sounds pretty crazy.

 

sure, but you go into that other thread making complete generalizations that NO ONE can ever have a euphoric experience from salvia based on the chemicals in the brain it effects.

People were talking about DPT the other day in a thread and brought up the point that taking smaller doses of DPT actually makes you more scared than taking higher doses where one's reality is obliterated because there is no you to be scared. I see salvia working in a very similar manner. There is a certain point I've found with salvia where the idea of fear is not even something that crosses your mind because there is really no 'mind' for a thought like fear to enter.

In regards to the chemical argument, Salvia is still a fairly new substance to the scientific community. We are talking less than 20 years of knowing it's psychoactive action. It may effect other receptors to lesser extents and possibly have some modes of action we just have not discovered yet. Furthermore, I am guessing most of that research has been done on the chewed leaves too and the smoked extract probably has some different reactions.

I don't know if it matters to you but take it as a somewhat of a compliment that I even care to bring that up again, that means your posts are at least worthwhile to read.

 

What it matters to me is that you are scouting my posts and using them as an opportunity to continue a disagreement that happened in a completely different thread about a completely different topic. A disagreement, I should add, that came to a standstill because both parties said what they had to say on the matter without so much as a modicum of compromise.
I think I should be able to give my personal advice on ways of smoking Salvia without having to defend a position I took days ago in a different thread.
Apparently you have an urgent need to convince me of the various nature of the Salvia trip, including the possibility of the inducement of emotions other than dysphoria, but at the moment I have neither the ability nor the proclivity to side with anecdotal evidence over the, in my experience, much more reliable affirmation of personal exposure through actual usage and the science of biochemistry.

 

I'm not trying to convince you of shit man, I'm just telling you i've experienced otherwise and that the Salvia experience cannot be molded into your little limitation of experience. There are plenty of trip reports on numerous sites to back up my arguments. So while your claims may hold true for you and possibly others as well it's completely false to pass it off as fact. If you want to go by less than 20 years of scientific investigation on the stuff and pass that little evidence off as complete irrefutable fact that's your deal, but if psychedelics have taught me one thing it's that science can only tell so much about these chemicals and there is definitely a highly subjective component with all of them.


* I'm not scouting your posts either, I hit this thread before you did, just what you said before stuck in my head since it's obviously a very similar topic, and in case you're too dense to notice I was kind of making light of the other comments hence the smiley face with the tounge out.

 

So it's back to the sparring match then...

I wonder if you notice the inherent contradiction of your description of my experience as a "little limitation" whereas your experience and that of others is something that should be "molded into" mine.

There are also many trip reports that back up my arguments, and it's for that very reason why anecdotal evidence is useless. People can say whatever they want, and they do, which is why we have such conflicting reports. However, science doesn't lie.

It's a topic of Salvia, although my only contribution to this thread was the recommendation that he smoke out of a pipe.
What that had to do with my "dysphoric trips" and the correlation between a pipe and a dysphoric trip was beyond a stretch on your part; it was an obvious call to the old thread, an unresolved conflict, which, conveniently enough, is now being continued here.

 

Yah it was brought up as a joke but then you got all butt hurt about it.

There is a post i'm dragging all the way from the other thread to show that I do think your point about dysphoria is valid as well. My point is that you are completely denying my and many other's experiences who have had quite pleasant, ecstatic experiences in favor of limited scientific research that has been conducted over fewer than 20 years. I am not denying your experiences or trying to mold it in any way.

MDMA was intially reported to create holes in people's brains, Marijuana was said to turn people into rapists. There is numerous other reported 'findings' on psychoactive drugs that have just been flat out wrong.

I have not done thorough research on Salvia but just to nail your fucking argument into the ground even further I'll go out on a limb here and say there is nothing that even points to the kappa opiate receptor being inherently dysphoric. Provide me some evidence and I will at least admit that you have somewhat of a clue that you know what you are talking about and drop the argument.

 

It's "Kappa Opioid", not "kappa opiate".
I'm not going to do your research for you, guerillabedlam.

And that's your chief problem. You're really going out on a limb with your statement about the "kappa opiate receptor".
The reason why I don't give much credence to what you say is because you aren't interested in an honest exchange of ideas; you're interested in winning, your purpose in this conversation is to "nail my fucking argument into the ground". I have zero initiative or inclination to provide you with (easily accessed and bountiful) evidence, when you have already admitted that you have not even done thorough research on the drug, and when your prime motivation in continuing this conversation thus far has been revealed as a fixation on coming out the victor in an internet forum argument.
Let me know if you ever want to have a grown up conversation sometime.

 

I am interested in an even exchange that's why i'm asking for some evidence that will not only benefit and inform me but everyone here as well, and you are providing none and instead would rather dance around the topic and point out my slight spelling error, so you are either a) a selfish prick b) don't know what the fuck you are talking about c) can't accept losing an argument or D) all of the above.

If it's that easily accessible, do people a favor and provide some info so we can understand it better. Let me know if you care to ever help people until then I will parade around in my childlike victory of winning the hipforums internet argument in ignorant bliss

 

guys...

 

Sooo I did a little experiment today. i have a Korean friend who's an experienced tripper and he said he wanted a full blast of salvia for his first time. The salvia trip according to many guides breaks down from S-A-L-V-I-A. S being subtle and A(6) being black out.

Well my dude reached blackout. He tried to push his way outside and screamed at the top of his lungs in Korean at me until it ended and he finally came down. he does not recall any of this, his memory is completely gapped from the exhale to 2 minutes later. But for the minute he does not remember he appeared to me to be terrified.

Leaving the pipe/bong (and all other) arguments aside, My question is.....For me, every salvia trip after the first brings a powerful feeling of familiarity, and going back to that place. I'm wondering if even though he can't recall it, taking salvia again will frighten him because it will bring back the feelings from the first trip.

what do u guys think?

 

possibly, I always get this split instant where I'm feeling the pulling sensation and it feels like my brain is screaming "oh fuck here we go again" but once I am in the salvia space its rarely ever the same. You say he has had Many psychedelic experiences under his belt I would think he would be alright in the next few trips. Its vastly different from the serotenergic hallucinogens so alot of people are caught off guard by the intensity.

I think I understand what you mean by familiarity as it seems like an actual space/place/dimension you go to but its always a different facet of that place and I have trouble grasping while I'm there. A couple times I've experienced a complete void and I know one other person who has as well and he was scared shitless, I found it transcendental and reminiscent of 5 Meo Dmt slightly. Maybe your friend got there.