What Makes A God?

I don't think it matters if it's completely scientific. I wouldn't argue that it should be regarded as science, but I don't know who ever decided only scientists should be treated with respect. I wish all these fields were treated equally as part of the search for answers.

 

The reason we respect science is because it provides results and knowledge. Getting your knowledge from a voice in a whirlwind will not bode well for your library.

Would you rather navigate a wooden ship in the atlantic using a compass, star charts, and trigonometry, or would you prefer to interpret tea leaves? One of these has a much, much, much higher probability of ensuring you see your next birthday.

Respect is earned. This is crucial. It is actually possible for someone to be wrong, and in fact, for an entire method to be wrong. In this case, why respect it?

Do you respect a doctor who tells you that your stomach pain is a result of a demon and you should pray to Mother Mary? No, you don't respect him; in fact, you report him immediately to his medical board, and watch as his license gets stripped and his former patients take him to court for malpractice.

Not everything on offer in the marketplace of ideas is on equal ground. This concept seems to be very difficult for many people in these forums to grasp.

 

It's poetic, and shouldn't claim to be anything other than what it is.

And I don't know how they came about exactly, but since it's a system based on observation I'd assume that as trends in conflict and irritability surfaced, the position of the reddish blimp was noted, for which they needed a label and they came up with Mars - the god of war.
Very simplistic overview, but there are flavours of conflict and the triggers of that conflict can vary.. Uranus retrograde for example, apparently innovation and rebellion.. that causes a friction of its own. Mark my example as purely hypothetical, this is why I'm not particularly interested in it but the trends do exist.

It's a long way away from today's popular way of thinking, which is a good thing because otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation right now, but it could also be a bad thing since we're unaware of what it might be limiting.

It's a trade off, security vs. innovation. Though obviously, they both contain elements of each other.

 

So how does the Tao play into this?

 

First off, you're not going to DIE if you follow one method over the other.

Respect is earned. Well do you realize how much Science wouldn't even exist if it weren't for thousands of years before it of what lead to it? You're naive in a grand sense of the word. Where's the respect for what literally led to and gave birth to Science? This seems to be more than extremely difficult for you and others to grasp.

Many different empires that lasted much longer than the United States thrived on Astrology, and for much longer of a time. Science and Modern Western Culture isn't the end-all, be all of all of existence. Sorry. It's only been thriving for about 200+ years in all of existence. That's not yet comparable to literally 3,000-5,000 years of thriving, such as in Ancient Egypt.

 

Science's rejection of Astrology is very deeply rooted, as you are expressing in the modern day and which explains why the Scientists don't even approach their tests in the right way. If you actually understood Astrology, you would know with certain fact that the test regarding 2,000 people is not a valid test of Astrology. It is completely disregarding the Ascendant, which dictates much of the rest of the chart.

The only way that test would actually be conducive to Astrology is if 2,000 people were born in the exact same location at the exact same minute. While this is obviously unrealistic, it's not Astrology's fault that Science approached their test incorrectly.

And still, you act so boastful and still are with-holding all the necessary information such as your time of birth, just as the Science study wasn't addressing all of the areas necessary to address, so that I can show you your own chart.

 

Planets already have their own personality via frequencies as is. If you question the authenticity or validity of my source, then do your own research on the matter. http://damn.com/nasa-space-sound/

 

Do you think it's possible that you're being extremely naive to your perspective on this?

What if the ancients were receiving grand archetypal waves from these celestial bodies, and mythological personalities were born from a genuine resonance in their own bodies, just as NASA recorded from the celestial bodies with their instruments? What is so outlandish about this notion?

 

gee, this Star Chart kind of reminds me of ASTROLOGY http://planetary-science.org/astronomy/star-charts/

Check out how they are using patterns in the sky WHICH WERE CREATED BY ASTROLOGERS in order to navigate their physical reality. That kind of reminds me of looking at those same patterns and receiving archetypes in order to navigate their internal reality. But certainly that isn't valid, even though our entire bodies and personalities are made from physical reality and are the same coarse materials that make up stars and planets

 

Not that grand bro, the wind blows and the trees sway.

Though, the path of the mystic is different to that of the magician. Different directions but the get to the same place, just different obstacles of self and compatibility.

 

and what in the hell is the correlation here?
Astrology hasn't jack-crap to do with how successful a civilization is or it's longevity.
China it is when you go too far and make lame-assed remarks such as this that you lose me completely.

 

Haha yeah, I agree. They happen to have thrived WITH astrology, but not primarily because of astrology.

 

Ok, on topic:

What made God? I don't know. If there would be some form of God, I would say God 'made' us (over time, most likely not instantly).

What makes a god? Evidently a human (or two)

 

Same question as "what does the universe have to do with this".

Really? You are not worried about getting in a wooden boat, in the atlantic, and navigating via tea leaves? Do you really need me to list the number of ways that your death may visit you with this method?

The only reason I'm engaged in this conversation with you, is to help YOU. Given that you've already said that there is nothing I could say about my chart that would change your mind, this exercise is futile; it's just another way for you to call me names. And as I've already said many times before, I've had my chart done many times in the past, and I'm very familiar with them. You're not presenting me anything new, nor is this new to science and psychology.

I can't even. I'll just leave this here as is, because this really summarizes the errors of your thinking. Your ability to read the sources that you yourself are posting is also really sad man. I'm starting to think this is a 100% troll operation.

 

Actually they used this Science to determine when to grow their crops and they essentially based their life on the movements of the celestial bodies. I thought everyone knew this...?

 

Well do you believe the Tao to be real or not? Stop avoiding my question. If you believe the Tao to be real then you need to distinguish how this is different than God.

 

*sigh*

they learned to measure time by the procession of the moon and constellations and thereby how to anticipate when to plant and when to harvest.
Not some mumbo-jumbo mystery science or any such silliness beyond simple observation.
you are trying to imply that there is mysterious power or knowledge only available via astrology and THAT is what accounts for these civilizations prosperity.
That is absolute horseshit.

Sure, religions developed around these observations, most focusing on the sun as "god" and in a sense rightly so as they recognized the sun as the source of power and life on the planet.
but it is still a far cry from what you are implying.

 

Why would you include a star chart into this when you obviously must know that those patterns were labelled by astrologers? They created the constellations for their own navigation and understanding, and yet you have no respect for astrology?

You're not in this to help me, you're in this for the same reason you're involved with all of these threads...you are convinced that you're correct, and are trying to assert your "superiority" of knowledge over all of those "superstitious" people. Let me repeat that you're trying to "help" me in the same way a Christian Missionary is trying to.

Given that you've already said that there is nothing I could say about my chart that would change your mind, this exercise is futile; it's just another way for you to call me names. And as I've already said many times before, I've had my chart done many times in the past, and I'm very familiar with them. You're not presenting me anything new, nor is this new to science and psychology.

Do you not realize how you're talking about yourself here? You yourself are stating that there's nothing that i could say that would impress you.

 

The root of the archetypes is a mystery in fact. The power that you are speaking of is nothing other than the power of the mind, which was utilized by the Hermetics and actually is what the ancients thrived on. Sorry that you're misinformed by modern education.

 

I think you are describing early astronomy, not astrology. They were using the stars for scientific purposes, not magic. Just because hey noticed some designs I the sky, doesn't change what they were using it for, which was telling time and figuring out when to plant crops. That is astronomy.