what is REAL?

Do you mean the christian holy spirit? If so I can imagine why you think we have to prepare ourselves for our reunion when we transcend to something or -were else. If not, why do we have to prepare ourself individually for becoming one in the first place (since we are all one)? Why do you think perfect love is the only way?

 

I completely know where you coming from and I've contemplated this problems the same way. I have come to the conclusion that how we see the object with no prior thought/knowledge/influence is the REAL object. So to see the world just as you SEE it. Not how you think about it or anything else, just see. That, is the real world.

 

Hahah no no no im in no way shape or for a "christian" nor do I believe or support any thoughts from that system. Im a free thinker, however I do believe in God as I believe we are all children of God, not just Jesus, whoever said that was far from the truth hah. Jesus was simply the perfect example of a child of God who began to see the Truth and let the holy spirit guide him in his actions and thoughts leading him to see everyone for how the really were, perfect children of God. He did not give into nor believe in the temptations of the ego. The only difference between the rest of us and Jesus is that we have not yet come to terms with Truth and are still living mostly under the guidance of the ego, a wicked device built for separation and destruction of one another. The holy spirit guides you to forgive and love one another and see each other as you really are, flawless. Yet on this plane of existence our minds are currently in tune with, it is a very hard concept to understand. Im still learning just like the rest of us.

 

I am familiar with it.

Many people have not identified what it is they desire.

If my motive is exemplary I would say that we want everything and we want it now.
A state without resistance to our desires.
That state is called peace.

 

So what do you mean when you speak of the holy spirit? The collective oneness of us all is my next guess then Are you aware that terms like holy spirit and perfect love don't explain your opinions on the matter to us at all since we do not know what your definition of it is. This is why I am bothering you to explain what you're sharing.

 

As regards the idea of perfect love. Perfection is a state that we are not familiar with and therefor is beyond what we can teach each other.

The only thing that prohibits love however, is our complaint against.

 

Well to be completely honest I try only to go into detail on things I really know about. Im still learning about the concept of the holy spirit and its relationship with each and every one of us. Im still a little shaky on the concept but hey man you seem to have somewhat of an interest in what I have to say so why dont you check out that book I was tellin everyone about, its call A Course in Miracles. A lot of what we discussed today is covered in that book and it has a much more clear cut , direct way of explaining it. I sometimes confuse the concepts from that book with others I have learned in my past or sometimes just completely misunderstand them altogether. But as I have said I am merely a student and still have a lot to learn. But I believe this book has a lot to offer, Im not saying its the one and only way but it certainly has answers to questions you may have. Theres a free version of it online, http://courseinmiracles.com/urtext/chapter_1/section_1.htm
Give it a try, read if from start to finish if youd really like to gain something from it. If you dont like it or see eye to eye with it then fuck it, no one says you HAVE to read it. Do what you do, its your life to live.

 

Can you put that last sentence in other words, dope? I do not understand it this way unfortunately.

 

Ah hah, I admit I havent met many others who have even heard of this book. It was published in the 70's and has spread like a plague, much faster than Christianity did after it was established.

But I must say you have a way with your words. I strive to be able to communicate my thoughts as clearly as someone like you. I have so much I want to say and share with the world that I sometimes have a hard to expressing it all clearly and coherently haha

 

I'm afraid I'm not really encouraged to read a book when it's recommended by someone who cannot explain what he's talking about. I did not understand what you were talking about in the first place but I was intrigued by the concepts you shared. I did however expect that you yourself had formed an opinion on these things. What's the purpose for instance of talking about a holy spirit when you know most people associate this with the most common definition of this. Well, you may have another definition of course but if you cannot share that it doesn't have any value to others.

 

I think the spread of ideas in general is faster than it was 2000 years ago.

Words are self expression. Know thyself they say, and you will express yourself clearly. Clarity in the case of communication is had through consistency. Consistency is honesty in terms that what you say and what you do are the same.

Fluency will come as you practice consistency of effort toward a desired aim.

 

Certainly. We love those things that we find acceptable. We do not love those things we judge against.

To forgive is to restore proportion so that you can see clearly the effects of your own thinking. The ills of the world exist and persist because we insist that it should be so. Love is only experienced by the mind and heart that loves and the only thing that limits the experience of love is the decision that it is not deserved.

A mind without the anxiety of the perpetual arbitration required by judgment of worthiness, is wholly kind.

 

Yes, communication can be a drag. English is not my first language and although I feel my spelling is better than a lot of english speakers I sometimes have a hard time interpreting certain sentences and words in the used context.

Edit: thanks man, I see what you mean now:

 

I would not have guessed that english was not your first language, what is?

 

Dutch. It has many similarities with english, except the spelling is pretty unlogical so english spelling is easy in comparison

 

Ok then dont read it. Hah i really dont care, just trying to share my ideas with you. If your just gonna shoot down everything I say then I have no reason to even converse with you. The only reason I say read the book instead of me trying to explain the new concepts that I am STILL LEARNING is because im STILL LEARNING. That way I dont just spout bullshit I may have confused with something else in my mind. So theres a reason I dont go into much detail on things I dont know much about...because I dont know hah. So if you really are intruiged by the concepts I had in mind go read a book that can teach them to you far better than I can. And please, when having a converstion with someone try not to put down the thoughts and beliefs of others. Be considerate and be respectful. Im not going to down play anything you have to say or refuse a source, if you had one to share. I am open minded and like to read new things, not just read about things that I already know about or agree with. Sometimes I will read something that completely challenges everything I have come to learn. You should try being a little more opened minded and accepting and a little less skeptical about everything someone with a difference of opinion has to say, it will take you a lot further in life.
So once again, if you dont like what I have to say or dont agree with it, then by all means ignore it or dont respond. But dont try and downplay me or make me look like an idiot. I never did such a thing to you. I simply shared what I have come to learn and was honest about what I am still learning about. Its best not to go on about something that your not sure about. That would be why I didnt try and butcher the definition of the Holy Spirit. Im still learning what exactly that is and whats its purpose is how its going to affect me in my life.

 

You do have a good point. It wasnt until a few decades ago that we even had internet, since then things have changed tremendously.

But I agree, Im sure the more I begin to actually know myself, i will be able to express myself more clearly and consistently as you put it.

Thank you for the thought provoking responses. Id like to run into more people like you, Its always good to meet someone who challenges your own ideas and concepts. Really makes you think about what your learning.

 

I did not shoot down anything you said, neither did I show disrespect. I think that's just your interpretation. Where I said you didn't make sense to me I made clear it might be just me and asked to elaborate yourself. I just wanted to know why you wrote what you wrote. You're opinion and not just the source of it. My source are my own thoughts and observations by the way. I don't read a lot of books on this kind of subject and where I made clear I'm not encouraged to read your book I was not trying to make you look like an idiot. I only disagreed so far with the bit about perfection. Seems you appear to be offended because you don't make sense to me?

 

I think asmodean asked only that you expound and did not seek to belittle you.

A good way to explain the holy spirit is in secular terms, that is in as secular a way as you can considering the term spirit.

Holy is undivided, consistent in every respect without blemish, whole.
The holy spirit then, the spirit or conception of wholeness. This concept is opposed in the mind by the concept of separateness, ego.

 

Well dope theres a difference from how you approached me with your response and how asmodean approached me. You offered constructive ideas and responses instead of just saying well i dont believe this or thats not true.
As for you asmodean Im not offended in anyway, i dont know who you are so why would i let someone i dont know online anonymously offend me, that is ludicrous. And if i was offended it wouldnt be because i didnt make sense to you. I could care less if someone online who doesnt know mean doesnt understand what im trying to say. Oh fucking well haha you do your thing not reading books that have valuable knowledge and ill do my thing reading as many books as i can before i die. We can agree to disagree instead of dragging this conversation out pages and pages haha. I was never trying to argue with you bro, just offering knowledge and advice. If you dont wanna hear it, dont listen to it. Simple as that.