What if God does not exist?!

You have proof of this? It would be odd if you had proof because nobody else does. Many have faith that they exist, but nobody has actual proof.


(and No, I'm not an atheist, just skeptical of your proof. )

 

You have a mind and a soul, do you have proof?! yes ofcourse there are signs for that...

You see the sun, the other stars, our earth, all creatures within, including us,
but, you can't see God, these are signs that God exists.

If you can accept signs to believe that you have a soul, believe the signs that says God exists.
Do you believe that you, with your mind and soul, and the whole systematized universe happened by chance?! if yes, this chance would also be wise and knowing, it is then your God! because you believe in this wise and knowing chance.. or No, then the creator is called The God. The God created this universe can create heavens and earths wherever He wants.

Would you believe in chance or The God?!!

 

Besides, The God sent messengers to human kind, what do you know about that?1

 

Maybe we shall tackle that in a different time... thanks to be here human fellas, it was nice to talk to you. Good luck!

 

wait a minute! haven't you a personal story to relate ? surely
you have been touched by godly experience .

 

Sorry, that's just plain wrong.

 

The sun shines on all alike.

As real as any perception.

No, only god is good, that is only god is authoritative on the subject of goodness. The only measure of true value.
God has already judged man as good, very good. God is not mistaken in it's creations.

I imagine at some point, grasping your metaphors, that you would bring up the issue of free will. You do not understand the will of god if you think men will to be bad. There is one will, god's, given freely to all beings. That will is to be and from there to be happy being. A father's will for his children is that they be happy. You want to be happy. Your will and god's will are the same will. We have become confused on the issue of what makes happy but the teaching is, seek first the kingdom of god or the kingdom of goodness and all things will be added unto you. That is as opposed to looking for good things , materials or actions, in this world. The things of this world have no character apart from the value we assign them. The measure we give is the measure we receive, so judge not, lest ye be judged. Judged not by god but by your own measure.

The last judgement then is ours. When we have forgiven the world all the things we accuse it of, then the world as god created it, or god's judgement, appears. God created the world and all that is in it, and called it good, very good.

Heaven and earth shall pass away.

 

brain

 

You're still applying meaning to the things you do, then. I'm not sure a sentient creature can determine whether it has objective meaning, since meaning is such a subjective thing. If you feel worth at all, you have to be able to justify it, and who are you to justify it? That's why I think it's true that we do have objective meaning...because that's the way we function and that's the only way we can function and survive.

 

No. I merely asked why there must be meaning beyond the things we do.

Are you suggesting sentience does not equate to a capacity to judge meaning? And in any event, what is the "it" to which you refer? I was referring to deeds, not to the fact of existence.

Why? If I feel that I am a worthwhile person, then I feel that. Who says I need to justify (ie, externalise) that feeling?

I am all I need to justify it. We all are. Otherwise we are herd beasts.

Objective according to what standard? Again, this is externalising.

 

Because if there is no objective meaning, there can't be any subjective meaning. If we could view life from such a perspective that we could say it has no meaning, then what meaning can a human being ever find? Only a subjective one, but that isn't "real."

It could be that meaning is actually objective and we aren't herd beasts. I think you need a broader perspective to be able to justify it or not justify it at all. I don't try to justify it, because it's the only way to function.

Objective according to the standards that anything that exists is held to. It could be that life as a whole has no meaning. Even if you think you're having a meaningful subjective experience, then, you can't prove it, not even logically to yourself. "I say I'm having a meaningful experience, therefore I'm having a meaningful experience," isn't logical. Unless it's just as logical to say, "I say I'm having a godly experience, therefore I'm having a godly experience."

 

Then a LOT of people wasted a LOT of time worrying about later.

 

Perception is reality.

You may think what you like, that doesn't make it correct. And your conclusion that "it's the only way to function" contradicts the assertion that you "don't try to justify it". Clearly, you have concluded that because you cannot function without the objective justification, the ability to function IS the objective justification. This is partly circular, partly syllogistic and logically indefensible.

Standards set and enforced by who or what?

No, because meaning can be personal. Your straw man argument is unhelpful. To take your analogy to its absurd extent (reductio ad absurdum) all life may be merely a paranoid delusion that each of us suffers. You can't disprove that, either, so on your logic it must be true, yet it clearly is not.

 

Soul - A fantasy that self exists beyond the physical brain.

 

If there is a god who wants to judge people, then what a bout the kids who are born mentally and/or physically challenged? They never will get the chance to take this test of God and will not enjoy a full life.

In this day and age you must be really ignorant to believe in God or stuff like that.