what happens when we die...

Whew!

Praise Steam Puffed Marshmallow man!

 

2 Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

 

campbell, you are constantly trying to force your viewpoint on everyone else, unsolicited....I find you a bit of a simpleton.

Can't you go be a missionary in africa or south america and mess up some tribespeople's lives there?

 

I'm a good person.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. *hint, hint* (Jesus Christ is that God.)

 

see what I mean, a simpleton who can't think for himself.

 

Tsk tsk the first law of Marshmallow Law (brought down to us by boyscouts hungry for smores)

clearly states that anyone using the word "Roman" is clearly the fire devil,

"who shall scorch us too long on one side in the fire, lighting us aflame for consumption of giants." (mallow 4:55)

 

Let me put it this way. You are asleep in your home. I'm the simpleton walking down the street seeing flames shooting out one of the windows of your home. I have limited knowledge, yet from where I'm standing, I see you are in trouble.
There is no question I have to try and wake you from your sleep, or you will surly die. You are in no condition to see the danger, where as I'm in a very good position to see it, and I'm doing the best I can to warn you, because I do not want harm to come to you. Simpleton perhaps, but I care, and I truly see the danger ahead.

 

Its nice that you care about me and my life despite the fact that you really know nothing about me, but consider this my public desire for you to stop. I am tired of being treated like a victim by you. Jesus taught me to treat others like you would want to be treated, and I am telling you that I no longer want to be treated like a victim so please stop.



For Mallow's Sake.

 

campbell, I appreciate what you are trying to do, and I understand your position. You honestly think that a hell exists, and if I don't accept Jesus Christ as my savior I am going there. You don't want me to go there. I get it.

Now, show me the same understanding, and accept my position. I don't think any hell exists, and if your god does exist I don't think he going to send masses of his own creation to suffer for eternity. Your god, the bible, and it's meaning has been corrupted over time to be used as a tool to govern and control people, as well as for economical use, political use, etc.... It is flawed.

We can agree to disagree on it, but that will likely be the most we do endup agreeing on.

 

and of course if it says so in the bible, then it must be true. for the love of mallow, do you believe everything you read?

'and yay, the non-believers will quoteth from fictional childrens stories, and lo, though they may be amusing, they are also full of unfathomable plot holes that boggle the mind'

(book of mallow, 8:17)

 

hahahahahaaahaahaha phew i cant stop laughing, for the love of mallow.

 

Nobody alive knows what happens when you die and theres only one way to find out. I don't think you should try it but with bush's war we might not be able to have a choice........

 

The strange thing ive been pondering (and i dont know if this has been mentioned... im not going to go read this whole thread...) is that all exchanges between thoughts and feelings and senses in the body are electrical nerve impulses. Your nerves and brain and everything in your body that makes humans more enlightened to their exsistance than the animals deals with electricity. In the paranormal department, most "spirit-seekers" believe that "ghosts" are electrical beings, and there are many reports in which their equipment goes dead from battery drainage.

Now. On that note, think about near death and out of body experiences. Many stories ive heard regarding them, people can see into the room they are dying in, and many more claim to be surrounded by a bright, God-like light. When a person dies, what happens to the energy used by the nerves and brain? We all know that energy can neither be created or destroyed, so could it be possible that your energy simply begins to disperse into your environment? Sometimes i wonder if that could be all that we conceive as our soul leaving our body. Just to dig deeper into the point, what if the bright light and the higher up feelings were something as simple as our electrical energy binding to the electricity in a simple flourescent light? (like over a hospital bed) When i think about it sometimes, it almost seems to fit into the ideas of God surrounding us in death, and the feeling of being one with the environment. If your energy left the body, who's to say it wouldnt still carry on some of the senses and notions from being concealed in the body? Could the feeling die out after a short period, and the "afterlife" be over?

The biggest question that entered my mind while thinking about this, was wondering how, if this just happened to be the truth (mind you this is all just in my head with no sort of scientific data or research. I mean, im just a teen here.) how would the energy be drawn back into the body after the person is revived? The only thing i could think of to cover this, would be to think of it in the same sense as a person who claims to be able to perform astral projections. They claim a sort of "cord" connects their body to their current being, and once they re-enter reality, this draws them back into their body.

..... Just something for anyone who feels like thinking.

 

our spirit(soul)goes to another plane .i have taken many photo/s of lower plane spirits.............lower plane as in those spirits are closer to the earthly plane...........................i believe we are eventually reincarnated............................................................. lower plane spirit below.

 

If it were only that simple, if this was just what I thought, I would be like the others that go to church and keep their mouths shut. Sera, I don't just think Hell exists. I know it exists, because of the confrontations I have already had with demons. They are real, and they hate Christ with such passion, and I have heard them speak of Hell. The bible is not just a theory to me. I have heard the voice of God, and I have seen the other side. Believe me, you don't get like this unless you have seen something. I can't speak for the church, I don't even go, and when I did I was not received to well. But Jesus, He is real, and the demons that hate God and His creation, they are real to. You are talking to a man who is not lost in his translations. For I have seen Gods power and His love. I have been at deaths door and have come back. Don't give up on Jesus, He really is the God of all creation. We all have to make a choice. Jesus is the blood sacrifice, and the only one that God has given mankind. What you do with Jesus, will determine your future.

 

What would make a spirit stay closer to the earthly plane? Or is the lower plane just a stepping stone that everyone passes through after death?

I have to say, my favorite idea of an afterlife is reincarnation, and spending time in some sort of spiritual plane before reincarnation would explain all these ghostly goings-on that so many people around the world have witnessed.

Let me ask you, what about ghosts of people that are hundreds of years old? Would there be something keeping them from moving on to reincarnation, or the next step?

 

It isn't that I don't want to believe in an afterlife where we all are sitting pretty in huge mansions trotting up and down streets of gold. It is all a nice fantasy (and obviously one reflective of the times the book was written, being so obsessed with gold and all). I even entertain the idea of demons and evil things. I am a writer, I write about them. I am just not going to live my life by the dogma of the church. I'm agnostic, I don't deny the existance of a devine being, I enjoy the idea. It is hard not to, and that is a good reason why religions of all types are so wide-spread across the globe.

How do you know these demons you hae seen are an indication of your god's existance? Long before the christian religion people believed in the existance of evil without equating it to the god of the bible. How do you know the demons aren't a product of your own psychosis? Have you ever had your mental health examined? (Not ment to be rude, I myself have seen therapists regarding mental health issues, in today's world just about everyone needs to at some point).

Anyway, I am a good person, a nice person, charitable, thoughtful, considerate. I am a bleeding heart, I usually care too much. If some god doesn't want to accept his own perfectly good creation into his home in the sky because I wasn't bowing down and saying "praise the lord" then it isn't a being I want to be associated with anyways. But I don't think any real god of the christian description (creator of the world, who loves us all, etc...) would do that, I think all that dogma and crap are inventions of the human mind to spread a belief and maintain control. I don't see how any god that created us and loves us would like to see all the bullshit that has been done in his name by the people who pretend to represent him. All the intolerance, judgement, damning, and death.


To me there are more viable beliefs and religions. Ones that spread not from fear and intolerance, but from enlightenment. Ones that do not call for eternal torment of the vast majority of their own god's creation. But, even more logically, I think that we are most likely moving on to the same place as everything else on this earth, into the ground to be recycled into earth's life cycle. I understand man's need for religion, and how and why religion evolved. But now that I understand it, I can't participate. I would be faking it. That doesn't mean I can't draw from all the good lessons religon has tought us over time. It has served, and is still serving it's purpose for me.

 

Campbell, I too want to thank you for caring about me, and I don't think you are a bad person. I am the type of guy who wants to ponder all of the mysteries of the universe, to consider all the possibilities. I call you a simpleton because you only consider your own VIEWPOINT, and you continuosly repeat the same information.

No matter what you say, there is no way that you are any closer to god or getting into heaven than anyone else. In my eyes you stick to your one THEORY without ever considering other possibilities, and that makes you a simpleton to me.

I relize that it is VERY serious to you, to the point where you can't even chuckle at somone making up a silly, intentionally comical religion revolving around a marshmallow man.

I'm going to concur with Sera Michelle here and say that apart from what I consider to be basic morality, i.e. the ten commandments, we aren't going to ever agree.

 

I agree with both of you and thank you for the posts.

Steam Puffed thanks you too.

 

God gave me a glimpse of heaven, I was not focused on what I saw as much as what I felt, and that was the intense love of the Christians I met there. The music and their singing of the praise of God was so powerful it would go right through your body. I did not want to leave that place. My confrontations with demons took place in 1973 when I first started to study the bible in ernest. I never saw a demon with my own eyes but could clearly hear them. About six months later I found a group of Christians and ask them for help, because these confrontations with these demons were getting to the point I could not even work anymore. On a Saturday morning in a house in Crete Il. with about 9 Christians present, they told the demons they would have to leave. The demons said they were not going to. The one demon was was drag away by angles while the other demon still refused to go. They told that demon if he did not leave he would be destroyed. He said it would be better to be destroyed than to burn in Hell. One of the woman present saw the demon burning on the floor, I could hear the screams as did someone else. Since that time I have had little encounters with that side. Not long ago I retired from a job I worked at for 27 years. I now am working as a powerhouse Engineer at a hospital. If it were not for God's power I think my life would of been much different. The encounters I have had with God are just the oppsite of the encounters I have had with demons. The proof of the bible will not be found in my side show, but in the fulfilled prophecies in the bible. However, my experience has only given me more evidence that the bible is truly God's word. While the demons were being cast out they were saying Christ was a false God. They were fully focused on Him. And yet at the very mention of Christ name they became fearful. The organized church is a mess but God's word is still true. The real church today will be found in the hearts of those people who still love the Lord, and not necessarily in stone buildings. There is a big difference between Christianity, and religion.