What happens when we die?

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each and every one of our brains has electric receptors in it. you can't destroy electricity, you can only redirect it. therefore, whenever someone dies and their brain is shut down, that electricity has to go somewhere. ladies and gentlemen, i now present to you: the afterlife.

 

yeah, ok... so what is the after life??

my guess is that our brains will quit functioning at death. this state is the loss of consciousness that we experience during deep sleep. you wont be aware of anything and nothing will exist in terms of your perception. without consciousness, you are without everything.

 

the after life is another life, a life where you are tom cruise in the movie top gun, a life where you are king of europe back in the 1400s, a life where you are a space pirate traveling the galaxies in your space ship, the after life is every life, shit, you could be reborn on a planet where everyone lives in the clouds (heaven) or you can be reborn on a planet where you are a slave to the firery depths of this hellish planet.

There is no such place as heaven or hell, in the context of religion. YOu people need to think for yourself, screw faith, what do you believe in? As you look around this planet you will see life is organized by science and reasoning. To reason that one being created all of this universe in 7 days is retarded, you can thank your ancestors for that little fairy tale called the bible, but thats all they had back then, they didn't know shit for squat! So they make up this bull shit called heaven and hell mainly to explain the unknown and keep its people bounded by a set of rules and ideas. I say fuck all the churches on this planet. I'm rambling...

So, you all need to step forth and realize whats going on here. That religions are primitive science and philosophy, we must realize that anything is possible and to claim that a GOD created the earth 12,000 years ago and he hid dinosaur bones in the ground to test our faith is saying that you still live like a person back in year 1 AD, uneducated, foolish and weak.

 

OK since a lot of people have mentioned the ENERGY FALLACY I will make a point of spelling out the mistake involved.

Science has taught us that energy is not created or destroyed - instead it changes and flows. Since the mind seems to be a form of energy, at a glance it would seem that when we die, the energy that once fed our minds must go somewhere else, but it does not just fall to desctruction.

Well, when we consider the mind to be energy, we can think of it in two ways - the physical energy sense, as in, the electrical and chemical charges/impulses in the brain. OR the metaphysical sense, as in, some mystic energy.

Well, if we start talking metaphysical energies, it seems a bit daft to apply laws of physics..

So if we consider the physical energies behind the brain.. they are not just one large energy 'unit'. if you believe the brain manifests the mind, then you probably believe that the energy that leads to the mind is seperated into and throughought billions of neurons.

When we die, where does this energy go? The afterlife?

Actually as the brain degrades, the electrical charges diffuse throughought the leaking liquid. The chemical mechanics in the cells stall and cease to cycle, ceasing the energy transformations that underly neural processing. The neurons finally start to break down and their energy is asorbed, perhaps, by a worm in the grave.

That is to say, when you die, your consciousness dissipates into your brainflesh

 

im also a materialist, and i believe our mind is a whole bunch of electro-chemical messages that pass through the synapses. once the receptors stop receiving neurotransmitters, there is no thought, movement, or other flow of energy, therefore no mind, or soul. therefore, there cant be no afterlife. but hey, maybe we'll all be surprised after we die.

 

^ souls are eternal

 

I reffered to energy not ceasing to exist; but I didn.t mean a persons consciousness stays as a cohesive unit and goes somewhere else in a temporal/spatial pod. every neuron is a ball of energy and cells die within us every day. I don't think the constitution and energy of each cell ceases to exist but is translated into some other form of energy, even if it's not actively viable for eons. I didn't say anything with any degree of authority (unlike others here). what are we to base these statements on, proper science or on matters that are imprinted on our souls? you can't say that science has already proved wrong an existence of afterlife, science just creates more questions about the possibility. I don't say anything because I want it to be true; life after death is unknown for a particular reason: so that we focus our energies on making value out of our current existence. we will always be limited by the neurological processing we carry out, even through the lens of science. there's much more to our surroundings than what our brain processes for us to behold, and because of that our scientific conjectures and philosophical assumptions should always be open for revision.

addendum: this isn't really germane to the OP's topic but I was thinking about the state and nature of cells we consist of and how awesome their functions are even at such a microscopic level. what's more fascinating to me is that my body right now doesn't have a single remaining cell that was here 5 or 10 years ago. I have a completely new set of cells all through me and it happens on a regular basis. Each cell lives and dies but also propagates (asexually?) In that sense I have a completely new body than I had before. It can be powerful rebirthing if we infuse the creation of all our new cells with positive thoughts and energy. We are constantly changing, becoming new creatures and we can infuse our cellular constitution with whatever energies we want.

You can also look at a human baby being born as a form of death. The baby's amniotic existence stops and he starts breathing air and is a totally different creature with a new brand of consciousness.And how did the baby start> from living sex cells who unite to form an aggregate group of cells.

We can see the interchangability of cellular life in this sense, but then at death all our cells die together and are absorbed by the earth. It is tricky to see exactly how our material and spiritual selves get absorbed and carry on after that and I don't offer any explanation I just think that we get dissipated and perhaps microscopic portions of ourselves are distributed through the totality of existence. I don't candidly submit that my identity will carry on after death and I will consciously take an inventory of my mortal life, but I will always maintain that we carry on existence in some form

 

I hope that consciousness and experience still exists after that. you would experience what it's like to decay and become part of the earth, and as time goes by you would experience what it's like to become nutrients for some organism like a worm or a fungus, or both, and you would become a part of the organism, and you would experience what it's like to burrow like a worm, or what it's like to shoot out micellium and go through all the phases of of the life of a fungus. and then you would decay and become food for grass but also spawn more mushrooms, and feed more worms, and when the mushroom respired, you'd become part of the air too, and you would find out what it would be to be the air. and then some herbivore would eat you and you'd be digested, and part of you would be absorbed into the herbivore, and part of you would be excreted and you would experience the digestion and excretion, and you would spread and continue to experience things. you would become a part of the birth, growth, life decay of so much, and your conciousness would absorb into other conciousnesses, eventually becoming part of a cosmic conciousness.


that would be cool.

 

^cool. I wanted to insert some kind of similar commentary at the point where I said we are absorbed by the earth. I think even cells have some form of consciousness, and in our case they are arranged and designated in such a way that gives rise to an advanced consciousness called our minds. I can only surmise about how limited our consciousness is compared against the metaphysical supertemporal state of universal consciousness as you described

 

there is a world outside this world. there is a spirit body. we go on in to eternity. their are higher realms then the physical. we cant even imagine there power and beauty. peace and love..

 

I recently finsihed reading fear and loathing, and this quote stuck out to me as quite relevant:

"We are all wired into a survival trip now. No more of the speed that fueled that 60's. That was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around America selling "consciousness expansion" without ever giving a thought to the grim meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all the people who took him seriously... All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought they could buy Peace and Understanding for three bucks a hit. But their loss and failure is ours too. What Leary took down with him was the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped create... a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old-mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the desperate assumption that somebody... or at least some force - is tending the light at the end of the tunnel. "

 

Energy controls the formation of physical matter.
Change a component in the DNA, you get a different creature.
Change a component in the atom, you get a different molecule.
Change a component at the quantum level, you get a different atom.
It is always the smaller, energetic subcomponents that come first.

At the atomic and quantum levels, it is just energy. Which means energy comes first, it's primary in the formation of flesh. This means your mind is not your brain, but is rather at the atomic of quantum level of the brain flesh.

Now by that context, quantum energy does not need matter to hold a form. Atoms do need matter to hold a form. Physical matter grows off of atoms, it grows off of quarks.

So it is entirely plausible that when your flesh dies, the form of your body held at the atomic or quantum level could still retain it's shape as just energy. And I do believe the more you take time to recognize yourself as energy, not flesh, then the more likely it is you will be able to keep recognizing yourself as energy after the flesh dies.

 

DMT; The Spirit Molecule

 

The thing that I don't like about that quote is that it negates the fact you cannot escape the light at the end of the tunnel. Why would the end need to be tended to by something if everyone just automatically ends up there anyways? Pure love at the end is inescapable. If all of existence came out of a point, then all of existence will also have to return back to that same point. And everything you do, say think, or believe is held perfectly within the control and confines of the flow that is automatically returning you back to that end point. Nothing is tending the light at the end of the tunnel, but it is you, your instincts, spirit and soul that is tending your experience of reality to get you back to that light.

 

All the information we acquired during life is uploaded into the vast matrix of consciousness. (Slithering DNA back to the source)(Everything has already happened)

Your soul will be recycled, or you will make it to the next level.

That is up to you.

The trick is awareness.

"Beware, and beware, and beware!"

 

Im suprised no one has said this yet but this whole life may very well be a dream, so you never know

 

i felt that way on mushrooms (bad trip). spent 1/2 an hour afraid i wasessentially in a coma and that the surroundings i was in were only figments of my past, or maybe even just imagined.

 

1st; stoner bill and burnabowl those were the best two posts, and obviously for different reasons!

yea this would be great, but can you remember any of those memories? i guess not, so doesn't matter too much.




i hope there is something....
i just can't believe that we exist just to exist...i mean "something" had to have made this possible...this huge "coincidence" of life (as complex as us)...there is a great underlying meaning...but then again...i can think; what if that's the way it's meant or made to be?...one life, that's it...there's six billion of us...and many from the past (that's alot of recycled material)....and possibly other lifeforms on other planents, and our own, if we are conscious beings, why not bugs and bacteria (at least to some extent)?

things like light years..the (somewhat known) universe is 14 billion lights years across(?)...it's all so crazy to think about!!!!!!!
how are we able to think about this?

i guess i'm just saying some great power larger than us all is responsible for the coincidences that make our life and consciousness possible, (breath) and that i'd someday like to meet "it"

hope someone reads...
peace