What does it say in the bible about...

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  1. thedope

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    The measure you give is the measure you get. What is loosed on earth is also loosed in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, Seek first the kingdom of God and all these things will be added unto you.


    How are I accuse no one of sin, and it is a fact of life that man is sinful, synonymous statements?
     
  2. thedope

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    Not everyone who says to me lord lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven but those who keep my sayings.

    Your faith has made you well.

    Repent.

    leave the dead to bury the dead.

    If thy eye offend thee pluck it out.

    Love you enemy.

    Suffer the children to come unto me.

    Fear not.

    Turn the other cheek.

    Give to them who ask.

    Sell all you have and give to the poor.

    Do not hide your lamp under a bushel.

    The eye is the lamp of the body. If the eye be sound then the whole body will be full of light.
     
  3. thedope

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    Verily I say to you if you believe and do not doubt you can cause a mountain to throw itself into the sea.

    Whereas I would argue with Paul, you would argue with Jesus.

    If the light in you be darkness, then how great the darkness.
     
  4. OlderWaterBrother

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    Sorry, that does not in of itself restore one's self.

    If you were in a car crash and someone fixed the car so it could run but did not remove the dents, he could say go and crash no more but crashing no more would not restore the car.
     
  5. OlderWaterBrother

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    No.
    Yes.
    Yes.
    Yes.
    syn·on·y·mous [si nónnəməss] adj
    1. having same meaning: meaning the same, or almost the same, as another word in the same language, or being an alternative name for somebody or something
    2. having similar connotation: having an implication similar to the idea expressed by another word

    That's just it, they aren't synonymous. You're the one implying that they are.
     
  6. OlderWaterBrother

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    Well you can quote the Bible but the only thing you quoted that even comes close to filling the bill is "Your faith has made you well" and that is talking about someone physically sick and was healed not that they had spiritually "restored" themselves.

    If mankind had that ability then Jesus would not have had to been sacrificed. ;)
     
  7. OlderWaterBrother

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    I'm not arguing with Jesus, I'm arguing with you. Whereas we may, just a Jesus said, have the power to move mountain like obstacles, we do not have the power to "restore" ourselves to perfection without God's help.
     
  8. thedope

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    In regards to waterbrothers self contradictory statements, I did not say or imply that they were synonymous, exactly the opposite. On the one hand you say you accuse no one of sin. On the other hand you say that it is a fact that he is sinful. I tell you the Son is still as God created him and you say no he is not, and believing otherwise will not make you closer to God.

    To believe that you are sinful, is to believe that you are separate from God and are not as God created you. This belief is the light that is in you that is darkness. By virtue of this belief you judge both yourself and your brother unworthy. This is a slander against the Holy Child of God. By virtue of this belief, you cannot see that Christ abides in and amongst us. You are asleep and you are dreaming of a light that is yet to come.
     
  9. thedope

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    I did not say restore ourselves without help. I said:

    Christ comes to teach you of your innocence in creation, and gives us a way to restore ourselves so that your father may have some sense of you, of the good thing of himself that he had given to you. God will take the last step in welcoming you home.

    Christ gave us a practice that restores our sight, that enables us to see our brother and ourselves in the light which God created.
    God sees in you only what he created and sees not at all the dark mantle that you drape over your brothers "sinful and rotting corpse".

    God's judgment is already upon you at the moment of your creation. It is not loves way to force upon you what you are unwilling to accept. As long as you refuse to see the light of Christ in your brother, then your eye is not sound.

    When we see Christ we shall be like him.
    In this moment of recognition God takes the last step in welcoming you home.
     
  10. OlderWaterBrother

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    To believe you are sinful is to believe God's word.

    (Romans 3:23) For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

    (Ecclesiastes 7:20) For there is no man righteous in the earth that keeps doing good and does not sin.

    (Romans 3:9) What then? Are we in a better position? Not at all! For above we have made the charge that Jews as well as Greeks are all under sin;

    (2 Chronicles 6:36) “In case they sin against you (for there is no man that does not sin), and you have to be incensed at them and abandon them to an enemy, and their captors actually carry them off captive to a land distant or nearby;

    (Psalm 51:5) Look! With error I was brought forth with birth pains, And in sin my mother conceived me.

    (Psalm 130:3) If errors were what you watch, O Jah, O Jehovah, who could stand?

    (Psalm 143:2) And do not enter into judgment with your servant; For before you no one alive can be righteous.

    (Proverbs 20:9) Who can say: “I have cleansed my heart; I have become pure from my sin”?

    (1 John 1:8) If we make the statement: “We have no sin,” we are misleading ourselves and the truth is not in us.

    This last says that you are a liar and are not only misleading yourself but are trying to mislead others. Thus you reveal who you follow and who you serve.

    As for Jesus, he is the first and also the last man since Adam and Eve to be sinless. That is why his sacrifice is so meaningful for us.
     
  11. thedope

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    Never once did Jesus say he was sacrificing himself. John said it. Paul said it.
    Jesus did not. He said he gives his body and his blood, "shed", disposed of, and goes on to demonstrate that mans dream of death has no power over God's truth, and way, and life. Christ is risen.

    To sacrifice is to give something up that you would prefer to keep. Christ has no need of a perishable body, nor does Gods Son but it is something that he wants for himself thinking that he has earned his death.

    Jesus specifically said I desire mercy not sacrifice.
     
  12. thedope

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    Not one of these quotes are attributed to Jesus who is Christ.
     
  13. thedope

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    You must condemn in order to justify your belief.
    Period.
     
  14. OlderWaterBrother

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    So? All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. (2 Timothy 3:16-17)

    Also noticed how you didn't seem to mention why what you say diverges from what God's Word says.

    Interesting. ;)
     
  15. OlderWaterBrother

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    No I have not condemned anyone, it is not in my power to do so.

    But "the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints and [their] marrow, and [is] able to discern thoughts and intentions of [the] heart. And there is not a creation that is not manifest to his sight, but all things are naked and openly exposed to the eyes of him with whom we have an accounting." (Hebrews 4:12-13)

    Thus it seems your thoughts and intentions have been openly exposed. :D
     
  16. def zeppelin

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    It's not condemnation to counsel others when the time calls for it and in a way fitting to Christianity. Otherwise we would consider all advice that people give to each other as an expression of failure on the other and not as genuine concern, but that simply isn't true.
     
  17. thedope

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    It is in your power to forgive, and in that power you are forgiven.

    The bible that you know did not exist at the writing of Hebrews. He is talking about the living word of God.
    This living word you seem to know not a thing about.
     
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    honor thy father and thy mother---a commandment written in stone
     
  19. OlderWaterBrother

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    Yes, it is within my power to forgive.
    Perhaps but most of it did and since it is all authored by God the scripture would apply to that which had yet to be written.
    And this "living word" that I "know not a thing about" does it disagree with the written Word of God as much as you do? ;)
     
  20. thedope

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    All of God is in all things. We may indeed learn of every dot of the i and punctuation mark in the Bible. I differ with your hierarchical interpretations of what is written.
    Why would I mention some thing that does not occur. I do not diverge from the living word of God.
    But as far as my disagreements with Paul's letters, I have been very succinct in demonstrating my position in the light of day for everyone to see. I have not hidden behind a sheaf of paper.
     
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