What does it say in the bible about...

Even secularists believe that we are all guilty and movies like The Dark Knight and Unforgiven hint at the fact that we all miss the mark no matter how hard we try. But the point is to first recognize this and continue to do our best regardless. That's all God really asks of us; he knows we struggle and he struggles alongside of us.

 

I find no fault in you and God recognizes his creations only as he created them.

 

There is plenty of fault in me. It calms me to know this.

 

It is not possible to be the way God created you? Repentance is not a hand wringing act of contrition. It is a reorientation of the senses. Whereas before we seek the pleasures of the senses and the fulfillment of appetites, we are now vigilant for only the truth. The kingdom of heaven is at hand means it is within our grasp and we obtain it through repentance and forgiveness. Forgive the world the judgments you have placed upon it and seek only God and his kingdom.

 

I too have felt relief to discover I had been mistaken. God is not mistaken in his creations. Be thankful however that you can be mistaken about yourself and your brother. A mistake can be corrected, the wages of sin are death. Would you choose for yourself and your brother what God neither gave you nor would want you to have. Given the choice of what you would unleash on the world, would it be Christ, innocence or Barabas, guilt? Forgiveness is yours to bestow and as you choose for yourself you also choose for your brother.

 

My interpretation? This is what Paul said: (Ephesians 6:2-3) 2 “Honor your father and [your] mother”; which is the first command with a promise: 3 “That it may go well with you and you may endure a long time on the earth.”
This is what Paul said not my interpretation of what he said but what he said.
This what you said:

This is what you said not my interpretation of what you said but what you said.

What you say directly opposes what Paul said, Paul said; "the first command with a promise:",you said; not a command and an additional promise. Now you can call it my interpretation all you want but the simple truth is you are disagreeing with Paul and that makes you out of harmony with God and the Bible.

Now who is the one interpreting?

He does so in direct contravention of what is stated by Jesus?
I don't think so.
To say so, as you do, means that you believe Paul was not inspired by God and that would also mean that you believe that parts of the Bible are not inspired of God.

I do not deny the Holy Spirit but the Spirit that guides you has told you that Paul contravenes what Jesus said but would mean the Holy Spirit either does not know what it's doing or that it inspired two different people to believe two different things or that the Spirit that guides you may not be the Holy Spirit

Again the Bible that was written under inspiration of Holy Spirit never sounds made up but the Spirit you are taught by makes you sound like you sre making it up all the time.

Thanx for not calling me a demon, that's a big weight off my mind.

As for not showing you to be deviant from God's inspired words, I believe I have well covered your disagreement with Paul.

Uninspired? I mostly wonder whether you realize who is really inspiring you.

What is it, "do not judge" or "use right judgment"?

Okay, How this for mentioning the Holy Spirit?

God grants a measure of holy spirit to his people to help them understand and accomplish his will. He grants his spirit to those who make a sincere, prayerful request, who have the right heart motivation, and who conform to his requirements. (1 Corinthians 2:10-16)

But that does not mean that God will use his Holy Spirit to teach us new things that are contradictory to what he has already written in his Word the Bible.

Is that what you had in mind or were you thinking of something else?

 

Just wondering, are you saying that God created us imperfect and sinful or are you saying something else?

 

I was taught by my request a way forward from my perpetual struggle with, "sinful nature". There are many true seekers who have questions regarding their own faith and this is due to the many disparate voices as to what the "right way" is. This question regarding the rightness or wrongness of things requires us to use judgment or arbitration, which is antithetical to the command do not judge. There is another way to use our "power of discernment", answer the question is it true or is it false. Ask the question what is it for. Make the distinction as to whether it is the same or different.

Jesus said both things. Do not judge lest you be judged and do not judge by appearances, but rather use right judgment.

The first "judgment" is good or evil, right or wrong. The second judgment is true or false. What is it for. Is it the same or is it different.

As far as mentioning the Holy Spirit. You quote scripture. That is not an acknowledgment of the Holy Spirit in you or anyone else.

 

I'm saying that God created man in his own image and saw that it was very good. God creates that which is like himself. God does not create sinful nature, however man can believe himself to be less than God created and that is man's mistake, to miss the sign of God.

 

I was going to touch on each of your points but this statement pretty much sums it up and is another reason you might want to check on that Spirit you say guides you, seeing as it's guiding you away from God's Word.

 

The Scriptures are filled with Holy Spirit and Holy Spirit leads one toward the Bible not away from it. I acknowledge that you seem to have a Spirit but since it seems to lead you away from God's word, I would be careful if I were you.

 

It is not a belief of man that he is imperfect, it is a fact of life and not believing it will not make him any less sinful or any closer to God.

 

In what way am I being led astray? God's word is written in the heart of man.
You confuse your beliefs about the bible with God's word.
Lead me back where you think I belong brother. Touch on your points. I still have a standing question to you regarding your statement that I am is a mistranslation.

 

Actually the Holy Spirit leads one toward God. There was no christian scripture until later. There was no canon until later. I do not discount the bible in any way. I see it for what it is. I see the lessons that are taught there. The words of Christ are recorded in it. At one time I looked to the bible because I was taught to believe the truth was in it. That kept me looking, studying, applying the sayings of Christ to my everyday life. Now I no longer lean to the bible because I believe it is true. I uphold the truth that is in it because it is true. I have no more wish to be deceived than you brother.

 

What imperfect fact would you point to. Where is the documentation? Man hides from God in the garden still, seeing himself sinful, exposed and ashamed. God seeks only that his son come out and stand before him that he may be restored the awareness of his inheritance in creation.

 

We can hide from God because of mistrust and forgetting God's nature. Adam and Eve hid from God because their actions blinded their hearts from knowing God's intentions, so they began to fear him because their consciences became corrupt; They projected their own faults onto God and thought God had the same intentions as them.

I would say that since they did not see themselves as sinful or even recognize its nature, they would have been less able to realize God's nature, so they hid, thinking God would seek to hurt them rather than to counsel them and lead them back towards Him. This is what most people do today. We still hide from God because we have forgotten his intention due to our own corruption.

 

I have to agree with you. We ALL have hidden from God at one point of our lives. Maybe we are doing it now.. But I mean God only wants whats best for us no matter what.

 

This "imperfect" fact, this documentation; (1 John 1:10) If we make the statement: “We have not sinned,” we are making him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

And were I to say that I had not sinned I too would be a liar. There is a difference between making an error and being of an imperfect nature.
What is sin waterbrother?