what do you think now of alcohol?

wow, you guys are something else.

i have already said many times that we dont need proof. these are our perspectives.

i said "how can you say that i am wrong without proving it?" trying to be sarcastic thinking that if i was to use her illogic on her she would realize how ridiculous she is being.

my point is that i dont need to prove myself - neither does she. i was trying to see if she would catch on.

even you didnt get it.

 

are you serious???

you actually think that she somehow proved that alcohol is good for you.

she posted something that says that alcohol may help with a few things. all of those things can be helped with out alcohol. and there is no proof that alcohol is actually good for anything (thats why they said may)

you are a child telling an adult that he is being childish... how messed up is that???

 

now, please


enough with attacking me swoosh - that is what you are doing and it is very childish...

if i want to have an argument with a 16 year old highschool student i will pm you.

 

"i have already said many times that we dont need proof. these are our perspectives."

But whether you accept it or not in order for what this statement means to be true you would have to prove this statement to be true. Tell me why I should have the right to think I am 'Right' without a backup reason as to why?

"
i said that trying to be sarcastic thinking that if i was to use her illogic on her she would realize how ridiculous she is being."

If she has nothing illogical to say, which she doesn't, then whatever the hell you are using 'back' on her is purely mental and just you. You could have this upperhand in debates and arguments to, if you knew how to defend a point properly.

"my point is i dont need to prove myself - neither does she. i was trying to see if she would catch on. "

Now you are just getting carried on too too far from your original point. This could be true if applied to certain things but definitely not on something thats some close minded like, saying that 'all' alcoholic use is negative. Just admit that 'some' alcoholic use 'may' be negative and you'll be all set to have your beliefs and defend them more properly.

 

your not very smart are you...

i give up... you would be smart to do the same...

you just keep saying the same thing over and over... nothing really.

oh wait... one minute... i think swoosh has something else to say...:leaving:

 

why dont you prove that it is wrong for me to say that any amount of alcohol consumption is bad for you by proving that it is good for you.


you cant prove that it is good for you so you cant say that i am wrong.

prove it is good for you before you start saying the same old shit over and over. we have heard your perspective and we have heard mine. there is no need to drag this out.

prove it is good for you or leave it alone.

 

Well way to show you are very immature at handling your own beliefs. I'll just elabormate more on,

'But whether you accept it or not in order for what this statement means to be true you would have to prove this statement to be true.'

You know why? because until you do what is said in that statement, whatever it is you have is merely an opinion. This is nothing advanced at all, this is just common sense on the grounds of arguing. It does not make me smart, it does not make you stupid. It simply means you haven't learned how to properly express your idea's and belief's in the most realisticly effective manner.

You also contradicted yourself very badly in that statement you made. You start off by saying I am not smart, or atleast implying so by questioning my intelligence...Then go as far as to tell me if I am smart, I will I would "give up" like you? Now think about that a bit more and tell me if that is at all the right way to be in life. (But ofcourse what is right is my own opinion and I accept that, but if giving up is okay to you so be it). See how that works?

If I am saying the same thing over and over (which basically I am), than why are you so dense as to not seeing my points I am getting at?

Really the immaturity at the end is uncalled for.

 

"why dont you prove that it is wrong for me to say that any amount of alcohol consumption is bad for you by proving that it is good for you."

I already have many times, proving your ignorance. And I don't have to prove by your standards especially when you do not even know the grounds on how to prove something logically true. I proved you incorrect for you to say 'any amount of alcohol is bad' by proving that 'some amounts of alcohol can be good', a perfectly logical approach that I dare you try and prove incorrect. And what makes me and Aura look better, we have science to stand upon. Unless you have some inhuman and otherwise unknown approach on how to handle a debate, please state, but you'd have to prove why it is valid for it to work on a logical basis. (See how that works?!)

You do not fit the position of the person to make the last few statements, as you are the one being difficult here, not me. I have already proven as to why, you just choose not to listen. There is every need to drag this out if I feel as though I am unsatisfied with one of your responses and feel the need to 'prove otherwise'. (Again, SEE how that works?!)

WOo making me crazy! Sorry, but I do not have to do anything on or at your request, and don't expect me too. -- And if I did, you'd have to prove to me why I have too, but then you'd just be arguing with humans rights to free will, which then too can be argued as humans rights to free will was established by humans, to eventually you are just arguing what is right and what is wrong, and so forth. The world never ends.

 

it is pretty messed up, which is why you should shut the hell up so the 16 year old can quit making you look like a fool

 

Yes I have every right to say that an adult is acting in a childish manner, even if I am a child. It is fairly close minded of you to assume that since one is a child, he can not tell when another is acting very childish, especially if that other one is an adult. It may be odd, but trust me I found it hard to believe I actually would have to tell an adult to stop being childish myself.

If you really are hell bent on proving me incorrect 3xi, your one last approach would be to deem my logical approach as illogical, which would then only be a paradox to itself and cause your mentallity to crash and burn, or at least it would mine. Or maybe I have made an error in one of the things I have said, that's based upon an opinion I actually thought was a fact -- someone do point any of them out if I accidently made an opinion out as a fact. (Which would then also prove me incorrect).

These are the rules to arguing, nothing new. Damn..
and i will clarify this, rules to arguing 'in a civilized manner', unless acting uncivilized in an argument is your idea of being civilized, even though your idea of being civilized would clearly be against the definition of being civilized due to how you act. And it all makes sense.

Sorry if I ramble, but I am currently engaging in the activity of expanding my mind, which I thought was acceptable on this website.

 

i totally agree. im 16 myself.. just a few weeks ago i about flipped on this about 40 year old guy buyin doses from me at a fest because he refused to accept that a hit for $6 was a straight deal.. he kept sayin that he knew i was giving him too small of a hit (he thinks hits are .5 by .5 inch squares), and that i should give him two for $6, because that how things were "in woodstock days"

throughout the rest of the night i had other absurd encounters with middle age people, from one guy demanding i get him firewood since i listened to his friend play drums to having to stop two other guys plotting on flipping my tent along with quite a few in teh area

wisdom doesnt neccesarily come with age

 

get over it.

why must you go on and on? who do you think you are? what do you think you are accomplishing? you made your points a long time ago. now you are just trying to insult me. you can try all you like - you only make yourself look bad. all i did was stand up for myself.

i hold to my original points. and i am sure that upsets you so much that your going to have to post again - saying the same thing. why bother.

if my original posts were enough for you to see that i am whatever you think i am i am sure others can make up their mind without you telling them. it is like you are trying to have everyone who reads this side with you. i guess that is what is so annoying about arguing with a teenager. if you made good enough points earlier in this thread you wouldnt feel the need to go on and on like a broken record.

if you really want to continue this debate with me send me a pm. i will not post in this thread anymore - i have already made my self clear enough (clear enough for intelligent people anyways).

 

i agree that being younger than someone does not exclude you from making statements about their maturity.

 

someone who is immature can not possibly understand what it is like to be mature--- thats a fact of life.

most men dont fully mature until their late 20's.... you will understand what i mean when you get there i am sure.

 

and i believe that stating your oppinion is sometimes just 'voicing your mind' and other times 'engaging in dispute'. when a despute is based on 'voicing your mind', with no attempt to convince or consider, it becomes a conflict.

3xi you not only started the conflict in this thread, you proceded to use the 'but everyone else attacked me, so dont be hyppocritts' line, which would be like Bigbee from trainspotting sayin 'but you were all hittin eachother' if they found out that he threw the bottle into the crowd below, starting the pub brawl. . and then onto the 'im allowed to voice my oppinion arent i' line, at which point i skipped to here to agree specifically that being older than other people does not prevent you from being immature.

i think your viewpoint is justified but you clearly made a hostile remark at the onset of this thread that made your standpoint seem irrational -
"alcohol is an escape whether or not the person is conscious of it"
way to hold ultimate judgement on the way everyone else necessarily is. i tell you what, every time you are not around your parents, you can be said to be escaping them. but does that mean you are constantly avoiding them or even that it matters at all ?

you critisised relayer for being able to feel good while jamming on account that he had been drinking. dont give me this 'you dont know who youre talking to' crap. once you attacked relayer by suggesting that he doesnt know what hes doing or that his feelings are laughable, you bring on a swath of his alliegance, whether they are thoughtful or not.

you have two main flaws in your argument:

that other things than alcohol can lower the same risks that alcohol does, tehrefor the health benefits of alcohol are redundant. the point is not whether you need alcohol to be benefited, it is that 'alcohol is not necessarily harmful'. at least, i see that as being the only appropriate argument against yours. anyone who thinks alcohol is just plain 'not a bad thing' indeed has a point to prove.

your second flaw is insisting that no psychological benefit can be gained from alcohol. but it is clear that experiences people have on alcohol can forge friendships they would not have forged otherwise, and thus gained lifetimes full of psychological stimulation thanks to alcohol. yeah sure, you can make friends otherwise, but thats not the point, the point is that alcohol -can- be the reason for soem very good things. the fact that it can be at all is in opposition to your absolute argument.

youve put your foot down.. but will it stay down?

 

a person who is immature can see when people are doing things immature because they are constantly reminded of the aspects of themselves that are immature.

this is a fact of life. true that younger people cant recognise certain levels of 'mature' actions, but they can recognise levels of 'immature' actions.

 

might i point out that indeed most of the arguments against 3xi are so pitiful that the points that did raise important factors seemed skipped over

 

started the conflict.... what by speaking my mind?

you have the right to disagree with me - but who is to say who caused the conflict. it takes at least two people to have a conflict. no one is better in that respect!!!

and by the way - relayer attacked me when i voiced my perspective about playing music while drinking. all i did was speak my mind. relayer had to come at me saying i am wrong for changing the subject or something.

stoner bill - who cares if i think that alcohol is bad and so on... that is my right

you can say i am wrong but you can not say i am wrong for speaking my mind.

closed minded fools want me to shut up because they dont like who i am. maybe they should realize how horrible of people they are for not accepting someones point of view.

i never said that he was wrong for speaking his mind. why am i wrong for speaking mine.

all i did was speak my mind - then i stood up for myslef. still not sure what is wrong with that. enough with the personal attacks.

one more post and then i am out of this thread for good. i cant say the same thing again and agian without looking foolish. wish i could have said my peace in fewer posts but what can ya do eh....

 

good point.... i like how you said "the arguments against 3xi..."

 

i care what people say because i like to hear thoughtful oppinions and that involves explaining ones self against opposition, but any oppinion that comes along with a 'just accept' principle can never be considered thoughtful, imo. at least that person citing a 'study' tried to back up their point. i gather from most of your points that your oppinions are probably more thoughtful than most here but not convincing. who cares? everyone cares about eachothers oppinions. you obviously do, otherwise you would not keep trying to have the last word.