What do you think about gays?

I guess some would, I imagine. But only the extreme ones. Most vegetarians I know don't mind me eating meat in front of them....they don't push anything onto me.

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Well, you can certinately still be against it. You can oppose something that is accepted in society, for example....

It's like the catholic church being against condoms. They don't try and make them illegal, they just remain against them.

Yeah man, it's always cool to have a decent conversation.

 

I am not trying to be a jackass, but you are not being openminded.. I am gay, it is something I didn't choose to be. Do you know how many times I have just thought about how much easier it would be to have been born straight!? You are saying you respect gays, and it doesn't change your opinion, so why would it change your opinion if they were allowed to marry. It doesn't change your lifestyle in any way, and makes two more people on the earth happier. I am sorry about the whiny post, but it is just so fucking annoying that there are so many people against two men loving each other.**or women

 

love is love, it shouldn't matter if a man wants to be with a man or a woman, i am straight and have gay friends who are some of the best people i know, i think they should get the same respect a hetero couple gets

 

Yeah, man....I didn't see his "right to be gay" comment until after I posted.

 

maybe one day we will all be gay and the world will be so much older than today and we will be so gay.

 

they'll get you so gay when you're trying to go home

they'll get you so gay when you've fallen on the floor

I would not be so all alone

Everyone must be gay!

 

Yeah but then the world would last long after that... Pretty much until that generation died... (Hahaha, funny Dylan interpretation though!)

(By the way thanks for telling me how to do the quotes thing!)

Yeah, I didn't mean ALL by ANY means! I was a vegetarian myself and I wouldn't have I was just talking about the extremeists.



I have to say though... You all have given me a lot to think about... I cna say I have never seen in from that point of view...

 

ppl have the right to be who they are and not looked down upon ...uhh yes thats how i feel

 

I totally believe in homosexual/gay and lesbian rights and the right for everyone to marry and have health benefits.

 

I have thought about this issue a lot over the past couple days... I suppose I was being pretty closed-minded about it... I am kind of in transition about challenging a lot of stuff I beleive or don't... But as I said, I think I may have been being closed minded about the subject, and I am sorry. Thanks to you Mushie, and especially to you BassistReid (who commented more and had a lot of patience with me) for calling me out on it...

 

we all need that helpin hand ..no worries

 

No problem at all. I am elated that you are reconsidering your stance on gay marriage/gay issues. The United States needs more people like you.

 

I often think of being born homosexual as a birth defect. It obviously goes against natural procreation. It is just one of many birth defects and variations that people are born with. I was born with a birth defect so I can understand this. But it seems as with all other birth defects we put more emphasis on medically/therapeutically/surgically treating the patient to allow them to lead as normal a life as possible. For instance there are many congenital diseases that the person can live fairly normal lives by taking pills for the rest of their lives. There are also many defects that can be corrected by surgery. Certian psychological defects can be treated by drugs and therapy to allow the people to interact with society and live normal lives. My mother is a child pshchiatric nurse and I am also aware of many of these cases. My personal defect was fixed with surgery when i was young.


So, to get to my point, and in reading the following quote from Mushie 18:

This sounds like a very similar statement that is commonly heard from people with birth defects of many other types as well.

Shouldn't this defect of homosexuality be researched more thoroughly as to the physiological cause and shouldn't just as much emphasis be placed on treating this defect as is other birth defects so as to make the lives of homosexuals more normal and less handicapped???

Based on Mushie's statement wouldn't a therapy for what he was born with make is life a lot "easier"?


Just a thought of mine that I would like to hear your opinions on...

 

well two of my good freings are gay but they both have kids with women ..i think thats strange

 

I wouldn't call being gay a birth defect...there is evidence to suggest that some gay folks are predisposed to it at birth, but I believe that there are many reasons that a person may choose to sleep with people of the same sex (a woman who feels she has reason to not trust men, or visa versa, and desires a sexual relationship with someone of the same gender...on and on)

Also, not all people are unhappy being gay...many celebrate it, and enjoy their lives just as much, if not more, than some straight people do. Of course, they may have had to go through some shit to get to that place, but straight or gay, we all have our stuff to deal with, do we not? We're all individuals, and we react to life situations in different ways, whether it is about being gay, being born to abusive parents, being born to happy families, etc. It is just a part of life..

I don't know whether being gay is "treatable" or not, but I sure as hell know some gay folks that wouldn't go through treatment if it was available; they are happy with their lives, and quite frankly, don't feel that anything is wrong with them...being gay is just a fact of life, like being straight is a fact of life for other people. It's all about choices, and being the different types of folks we were all (I believe) created to be.

Diversity is, I believe, the word... :sunglasse

 

i look at homosexuals the same way as heteros.. i have A LOT of gay/lesbian relatives and i love them all dearly. sexual preference shouldn't be used against people to judge who they are inside.

 

wow...I am kind of speechless. For one, being homosexual is NOT a birth defect. A defect is something that impairs you, and I am truly not impaired.. I like cock, so what, the only reason why I sometimes think how it would be easier to have been straight is circumstances with coming out. Other than that, I am happy with who I am.

To the statement that I bolded- Not to sound like a jackass, but do you know how ignorant you are coming off as?! Right wing christian fanactics have tried to "cure" homosexuals with electric shock therapy, and other absurd practices. It isn't something ypu can change. Let me spell it out for you. You like women, no one is going to change this about you. You are naturally attracted to them, nothing will change that. Same goes with me, and other gays. We are attracted to the same sex, I do not find anything about women attractive. I just can't. Also, to say that my life is not normal and handicapped is frankly ridiculous. I live just as normal life as you, probably even better, the only difference is, I fuck guys.

Please think about what you are typing before you press submit. There are many who would find you words very offensive.

 

I have no comments to add here, but I will just say that I would like to appauld the above three comments (to the frankly homophobic statement)
I think you have all addressed the comment with intelligent refreshing and compassionate answers. I would say much the same but don't want to repeat everyone!
S

 

I'm sorry, but I still see homosexuality as a birth defect. If you were openminded and didn't have so much pride and self-righteousness you would at least consider what I am asserting. The default programming of the human species is for an instinctual attraction between opposite sexes for the purpose of procreation, scientifically, and, some may agree, biblicly speaking. None of us are perfect. God created all of us for a purpose and loves us all equally. I believe that and do not think of gays as being of any less value or deserving of acceptance as anyone else. I have a handfull of gay friends and I enjoy being around them more than many of my straight friends.


I do tend to be a bit blunt and somewhat of a devils advocate sometimes and I appologize if this offends someone. I don't get angry at all of your opinions so, just relax and don't be so stressed about my opinions and comments.

Maybe the word "defect" is what is bothering people. This word is commonly used to describe all birth variations that could possibly hinder a persons quality of life and that fall outside the box of "normal" variations. Philosophically speaking we, as a society and out of altruism, strive to correct birth "abnormalities" to allow the person to live as normal a life as possible. I agree we often go overboard. Such as the case with ADD and ADHD. But still there is so much emphasis on "correcting" this "problem". I bet if homosexuality was something that could more easily be determined at infancy, that treatment for it may be persued more agressively by parents.

I'm not even saying that I, personally, think homosexuality should be a target for "treatment". In fact I really think that it shouldn't (just posing the hypothetical question). But I still think of it as a "birth defect" that society should make strives to allow that person, who had no choice in the matter, to live as fulfilling and acceptable of a life as possible.

Please take a mature aproach to constructive discussion of this topic and not one of hostility. This is a very important topic right now that effects the quality of lives of many people both homosexual and heterosexual. I think as with any significant and/or controversial topic it is important to fully explore all possible aspects thoroughly and with an open mind in order to come to the most "enlightened" view or opinion.

I, in no way, think that my opinion is the correct one, but am just presenting some thoughts of mine to hear, with an open mind, the constructive replies of everyone, so that I can continue to formulate my best, developing view.

If you truely have a sensible, and constructive comment to add, one that might truely enlighten others, then I am always eager to hear your views.

 

Just a thought, Feelingroovy (and, not said to slam your opinion, nor was my previous post, I just disagree with you), perhaps we as a society should strive to stretch "the box" to allow for acceptance of ALL people, instead of trying to change people we perceive are out of the "norm". In some indigineous tribes, gay people were seen as being special in a very positive way, they could have been the sages, shamans of their tribe. They were not feared, or seen to be inferior in some way because of their differences, but were respected for what their differences could offer the community. I believe it just a matter of perspective, and our culture has a very narrow perspective regarding how people should behave, what is right and wrong, what is morally incorrect, etc. Our society overall, has a long way to go regarding tolerance and acceptance of people who live outside of "the box".