What do you believe?

Not a problem. I posted them for my own enjoyment. Almost done with the 'essay', so I think I'll post it again in one all-cohesive post. I just love writing this stuff out (as I've done many times).

 

Is it a hobby?

 

I believe in everything....
from a river running backwards...
to a bee when it stings
and I believe ...
in the voices I hear
telling me to hold on and let go of my fear

a childhood imagination...has been my salvation
one cloud at a time yes I'm dreaming


I believe in what I can't change
and a hard lesson learned
and the strength from my pain

and I believe in what I can't prove
and the joy of not knowing
and the misunderstood

let go of my past
let go of my future
yes I'm dreaming



the memory of one moment is the beginning and the end of who I am

 

More of a touchstone that, having come across it many years ago, first intrigued me - then when I was copying it longhand in pen and ink became a kind of comforter that I've revisited from time to time. Like all religious explanations for creation and purpose, it's not presently provable so I don't bother to debate its provability. I just think on it and sometimes share it. This is the first time I've felt moved to share it in a public way and this forum was deliberately chosen so as to not offend those in traditional religious forums.

I certainly am aware that the impatient will not bother with reading it, and perhaps no one will. That hasn't lessened my pleasure at typing it out one bit.

 

You say you came across it?

 

My grandmother gave me a book. What I've been posting comprises, and is excerpted from, a chapter.

I first read it without a great deal of thought. Then, years later, in my darkest hour, the recollection of it came to mind and I went in search of it through my belongings. To aid my comprehension of it, I wrote it out, copied it, with pen, a few words at a time, using a magnifing glass because my sight was failing me that eighteen years ago. Today, nearly legally blind, the copying of it here has been a lengthy chore. But a happy one.

Twice since, I've given away my handwritten copy, to two who were in seriously depressed states (each time rewriting it for them). The hope and uplift in their spirits was rewarding.

All that's left for me to post, pretty much, are some direct quotations from he whose 'revelations' form the database from which the author of this essay drew.

Now is as good a time as any to post the end of the dissertation and those quotations. Taken as a whole, from the first post that stated 'in the beginning there was a sea of spirit and it filled all space' to the end of this post may be too much to fit into a single post.

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So the problems of individualities, the problems of groups, the problems of races and nations, are worked upon time and again until, by free will, they are solved, and the souls go on to other worlds, other systems, other universes. The readings say:

"Know that thyself, in its physical state, is a part of the plan of salvation, of righteousness, of truth, of the Creative Forces, or God, in the earth."

"Each person is a corpuscle in the body of that force called God."

"Each person is a manifestation of the Creative Forces in action in the earth. Each person finds himself with a body that seeks expression of itself, and a mind capable of becoming aware of what the body presents, what other men present, and what influences are acting upon the body and upon the mind itself."

"Each soul enters the material plane not by chance, but through the grace, the mercy, of a loving Father; that the soul may, through its own choice, work out those faults, those fancies, which prevent its communion and
at-onement with the Creative Forces."

"As to whether a soul is developed or retarded during a particular life depends on what the person holds as its ideal, and what it does in its mental and material relationships about that ideal."

"Life is a purposeful experience and the place in which a person fimds himself is one in which he may use his present abilities, faults, failures, virtues, in fulfilling the purpose for which the soul decided to manifest in the three-dimensional plane."

"Know in thyself that there are immutable laws, and the universe about thyself is directed by laws set in motion from the beginning."

"So, as ye condemn, so are ye condemned. As ye forgive, so may ye be forgiven. As ye do unto the least of thy brethren, so ye do it unto thy Maker. These are laws; these are truths; they are unfailing. And because He may often appear slow in meting out results does not alter or change the law. An error, a fault. a failure, must be met. Though the heavens, the earth, may pass away, His word will not pass away. His word is the way, the truth, the light. Each soul must pay to the last jot or tittle."

"How can ye do His bidding?"

"Not in mighty deeds of valor, not in exaltation of thy knowledge or power; but in the gentleness of the things of the spirit: love, kindness, longsuffering, patience; these thy Elder Brother, the Christ, has shown thee.......that thou, applying them in thy associations with thy fellow man day by day, here a little, there a little, may become one with Him as He has destined that thou shouldst be! Wilt thou seperate thyself? For there is nothing in earth, in heaven, in hell, that may seperate thee from the love of thy God, of thy brother, save thyself."

"Then, be up and doing; knowing that as thou hast met in life those things that would exalt thy personal self - these ye must lose in gentleness, in patience. For in patience ye become aware of your soul; your individuality lost in Him; your personality shining as that which is motivated by the individuality of thy Lord and Master. Thus does your destiny lie within yourself, and the destiny of the world."

"Hold fast to that faith exemplified in thy meditation, in thy counsels, in thy giving out to thy fellow man. For he that hides himself in the service of his fellow man through the gifts, through the promises as are in Him, hides many of the faults that have made him afraid through his experiemce in the earth. For it is not what one counts as knowledge that is important, nor what one would attain in material realms, but what one does about that which is known as constructive forces and influences in the experience of thyself and thy fellow man. For, as He has given, 'As ye do it unto others, ye do it unto Me.' He is the way, the life, the light. He is the Creator; He is the giver of all good and perfect gifts. Man may sow, man may act in material manifestations, in matter, of spiritual forces.......yet the returns, the increase, must come from and through Him who is the gift of life. It is not a consideration of where or even how the seed of truth in Him is sown; for He gives the increase if it is sown in humbleness of spirit, in sincerity of purpose, with an eye-single that He may be glorified in and among thy fellow man. This is the way, this is the manner, that He would have thee follow."

"Let thyself, then, become more and more a channel through which His manifestations in the earth may arise, through thy efforts, in the hearts, the minds, of thy fellow man. For mind - in man, to man - is the builder, ever. That, then. must be directed, given, lost in singleness of purpose, that there may come the greater awakening within the consciousness of thy fellow man that HE is in the earth; that His words are as lights to men in dark places, to those that are weak, to those who stumble. For He will give thy efforts that necessary force, that necessary power, to quicken even those that are asleep in their own selfishness, in their own self-indulgences, and bring to their awakening that which will make for glorious activities in the earth."

"Keep. then, the faith thou hast had in Him; for He is thy strength, He is thy bulwark; He is thy Elder Brother. In Him, ye may find that which will bring to thee, to others, joy, peace, happiness, and that which makes men not afraid. For He is peace; not as men count peace, not as men count happiness, but in that harmonius manner in which life, the expression of the Father in the earth, is one.......even as He is one."

"Keep the faith."

- from 'There is a River' by Thomas Sugrue
copyright 1947

 

So, worldsofdarkblue, do you believe in an immortal soul? I realize it seems like that is sort of from another thread, but this is just a perfect place, or so it seems...I do.

 

I do.

 

The immortal soul is the essence of life. Atheistic spirituality is bent on acknowledging this energy. Theism, however, is convinced that, in order to reach this level of awareness, one must follow a popular system of belief.
History's biggest mistake was assigning the role of God to a single entity.

 

But how do we know that the essence of their understandings of Life for the improved popular knowledge of necessary change is analogous to my system of belief for what I can communicate? Energy must be more than political correctness.:love:

 

I believe that religion is a system of belief that people have created in order to maintain structure and control in society. Through this, it closes our minds to the actual truth because people take things too literally and depend on these beliefs. They base their reality on it, therefore creating fear from anything different, which actually might be closer to truth than what they originally believe.

Truth never changes and our human minds have not even begun to tap into this.

I do believe in a form of "god." I say "god" because that word tends to create premature assumptions because of our ideas of religion. I believe that they actual "god" is really more of a deity and a state of being which we are all part of.

Imagine a body of water: the ocean. This is god. Now imagine a boat. This is our body, our vessel. Now put some of this water inside the boat. Even though the water is inside the boat (creating us), we are still part of the deity. Once we die, our "boat" is emptied and returned to the "ocean," becoming, once again part of the deity.

 

What do I believe?

I believe that independent of our universe (a manifold of a certain number of space dimensions and one dimension we call time), there exists a logical flow of ideas that are called the axioms of Mathematics. If one uses logic to combine those axioms, the entire universe and its history can be represented perfectly. So, I believe in these abstract ideas. They occupy no real physical space, but manifest themselves in ALL of space[time].

 

I believe in nothing unless it is provable to the best degree that any human can prove anything. If something is disproven to the best degree we can possibly do that, I no longer believe in it, but I may remain skeptical about any number of things we see as fact.

This is because I believe that open-mindedness is one of the foundations of scientific reasoning, and therefore there will probably be hundreds of new concepts which will become incorporated into my "belief" system within my lifetime.

I believe that belief in something for which there is zero evidence or reasoning is delusional, even if the thing may be proven to be true at a later date. Blind faith can be harmful. We can have theories about these things, even ones we feel there is a real chance may be true, but belief implies a level of faith in the concept or sureness about its reality, which should not be present without evidence or reason.

Therefore people saying "I believe in god" or "I believe in reincarnation" or "I believe that we are purely all made of love-energy" seems out of place to me.

 

I don't think this is strictly true. If there were to be something that lived beyond our bodies, some invisible energy we cannot yet measure, why would that have had to have been created by a divinity, just because we can't measure it yet? If the body is not necessarily created by a diety, then this thing might just be a natural product of the body or some other form of energy rather than anything holy.

 

I just believe that fairing does not always make it fare. The weather was not fair today. But my experience optimistically was felt fare.

I also found the context of spelling I might have gotten wrong for the associated meaning, atheist guys. I also did not waste time to realize that Google has only gadgets for dictionaries. Meanies they are, to us wedding needy.

 

willedwill
No offense brother
but "Don't understand me. I dare you"
That is easily enough accomplished.

 

What does that have to do with the general thread? I vote too. OR the meaning of the words are spelled for context to aduce one's understanding of a certain Belief.

 

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Good Friday, Earth Day == Agnosticism

 

But seriously, the holiness outside the body, has an association with Mcdonalds and Ronald Mcdonald's house. The energy is the source of no past time for the cause of wars, for the cause of peace; it existed for All time as the original thought of War and Peace. But the problem of Mercy: that is the responsible factor of people doing things in the Past.

Besides the Mcdonalds mystery, there is the James Francis Dulles Mystery; there is the Project of materialist memories mystery; there is the Max beyond Thunderdome mystery. And the purpose of All grace for Mankind mystery.

Earth Day energy IS equally with or without a causality from realistic Monestaries as much as unrealistic Serf-- Landowner conversions.

Ever been in Russia?

Aaah, poor baby.