what city do you not like?

Yes, that's true. Don't even think about going into a kiva in the villages that are still inhabited.

Also true. Attitudes are changing for the better, thankfully. It's too bad that people have to be forced to keep their kids (and themselves) off the ruin walls. The best-preserved ruins require a ranger to accompany you to prevent vandalism and wear and tear. They're still a magnificent place to visit, however.

Although who knows for how much longer? In Arizona, our motto is ... "if it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, tear it up with your ATV."

 

I remember we got to climb down the ladder into the kiva but there was a ranger present and we weren't allowed to touch anything...

My dad remembers drinking beer with his friends in them before it was a national park...he grew up on the res.
He has since developed a deep respect for native American artifacts.

Lol, ain't it the truth.

 

San Francisco is the worst, by far, compared to all these downtown areas: New York, Washington, Boston, Philadelphia, Atlanta, and Chicago. The last time I was in SF, I had four scary incidents with aggressive homeless. That's the only time I've ever had more than one on the same trip.

Well? :toetap05:

It is true that Reagan had a lot to do with that, when he was governor.

 

Never had any issues with San Fran. I don't like cities that try to suppress the homeless rather than to help them. San Fran is trying to project a new image and essentially drive out hippies, it is more for yuppies. I haven't spent a lot of time there honestly, but I definitely haven't had any issues with homeless there. Busking/street performance should be an option in any metro area in my opinion. Lots of cities try to prohibit that and I really dislike that practice.

 

Well, what have you done then? Besides be a tourist. I like Old Town Alexandria and Georgetown a lot, miss them. But it hardly encompasses day to day life there growing up, unless you are the kid of a surgeon or business tycoon.

I know you stayed in Old Town, because there are parts of Alexandria where you would probably shit yourself and not be saying the people there are nice and pleasant.

It can be a gritty city. Even in the burbs.. lots and lots of gang activity. And apart from that, the attitude there is blunt and speak your mind. Not like in the south where everyone is nice all the time, then some talk shit behind your back. There is some of that everywhere but definitely less of that there, it's more direct confrontation.

Most of my time was in Wilmington and Wrightsville Beach, Nags Head, Duck, Corolla. Also spent time in Greenville, been to Raleigh, Boone, Asheville, Hickory.

I like driving from Wrightsville up to Corolla and taking the ferries. Cool state but it seems less progressive and borderline depressing to me, compared to coastal areas in FL.

It's a cool place but there are just as many judgmental and what not types there as anywhere else. It's just saturated with tourism because you can walk around drinking. I like the laid back and non judgmental yet somewhat big city vibe of Jacksonville, the cops are way cooler, lots of artists/musicians and just overall interesting people.

By alligator, do you mean wannabe gangbanger?

 

Savannah is only inclusive downtown and at the school of the arts and also in some of the nicer apartment neighborhoods...other than that it's not really inclusive to actually live there. That's just a touristic selling point. It can definitely be fun to hang out there.

 

What do you all mean by inclusive? Like you can walk or bike everywhere you need to go?

 

I mean culturally receptive and accepting to everyone. Downtown, in the clubs, on St. Patty's Day, it's all good, even on Tybee, etc. but otherwise it's kinda segregated. I personally, don't like that. Some people don't mind it...I can't say I mind it even, as I'm used to it, but I don't really like it. Walking and biking is a selling point as well, it is a very pedestrian friendly town in certain parts...and I love that, but that's not exactly what I mean.

 

Everything but live there. All my life, Washington and Atlanta have been the two closest major cities to where I lived. I go to both for shopping, concerts, sports, museums, etc. at least once a year. Sometimes, it's a business trip; long meetings in rooms without windows.

I haven't seen any residential areas of Washington itself except for the Watergate Building, a little bit of the neighborhood around the zoo, and the bad section on the east along 295 and 50.

You know how it is when you visit a town. Unless you know somebody who lives there, you don't have a reason to go into residential neighborhoods.

Oh yeah. It's a bit of a walk to the Metro station, but worth it. I rarely take my car north of there, unless driving out to Great Falls.

:cheers2: If you can, check out the Blue Ridge Parkway sometime west of Asheville, and try the seafood at Calabash on the coast, right on the SC line.

Memphis is like that too.

Are the bars and clubs with live music safer than they used to be? In biographies about the original Lynyrd Skynyrd, band members talk a lot about knife fights and guns in the places where they used to play in Jacksonville. Original lead singer Ronnie Van Zant described Jax being a place where only the tough can survive. Of course, some of that talk was probably just him blowing smoke to make himself sound tougher.

I mean real gators, in the city limits, between the airport and the Georgia state line. You and I both know annexing all that shit land was absurd. The EPA is never gonna let you drain those swamps and build anything.

 

Ah ok, I understand now. The thing to me is that most of the south, most of the US is basically like that. DC is one of the most culturally diverse areas on the planet, when I moved south it was like.. weird, it's basically only black and white. But it also seemed way less racist down here, less racial tension. In jax, the beaches and riverside especially are good about that. The westside is where the rednecks live.

 

yeah I agree about D.C. I used to say every country and culture in the world was represented in my school... The south is different, I can't quite put my finger on it. I love diversity, but I don't mind being the odd one out, I just prefer when it's not so uncommon that people treat you strangely because they've never seen someone who looks like you in their neighborhood. That happens a lot in certain parts of CA.

 

Luton, UK. My favorite football (soccer) club is from there an I'm all for multiculturalism but not when the majorit off the Muslim population there want to male it follow strict Muslim law when and not assimilate even Ome bit into it's English culture.

 

The english need to put those muslims in check, fuck all that they are being pushovers because they are worried about being politically correct.

 

I want to reply to all of this but it is going to have to be tomorrow, too tired right now

 

OH MY GOD I'm glad this thread was made. I can't stand Seattle.
they're so obnoxious. and when you go from Oregon to Washington, you can just tell. Everything is just a little uglier.

And downtown? There's nowhere to eat there unless you like eating smelly fish.

Nowhere.

I also don't like idea Texas as a whole.

 

i never noticed that one. i wish i could say i would look next time i go through there, but it probably won't happen again anytime soon.

driving through there always makes me want to play simcity or something. they just have a little bit of everything thrown together, all right there visible from the highway. the houses/apartment buildings built into the hillside are another highlight for me.

 

I did drive to Half Moon bay and beyond. On the way, I saw some other nice areas that I never got to see during my stay. It's quite nice

 

I'm sure you did, but may I point out that your experience does not represent a fair sampling. I could just as easily say that I've been to San Francisco dozens of times and never had the slightest problem with homeless.

And by the way, the SF police harass the homeless there just as much as anywhere else (homeless people are also powerless people, and are easy targets, both for muggers and for the police).

Salt Lake City.

 

I really enjoyed SF, and other than the occasional panhandler, I was never bothered by the homeless during my time there. I was quite enamored with the city . The main problem was the weather, overcast, fairly cold, and uninspiring. The cost of living is also through the roof (maybe that is why there are so many homeless people!).

That being said, there are many other places I would rather live, many charming towns south of Portland and North of SF. That area of the country is like the promised land for me. Remote, peaceful, and saturated with every kind of natural beauty that one could ask for. The Redwood forest is something that can't be experienced anywhere else on earth.

 

A corollary random thought on top of the random thought that started this thread:

What if it had been titled "What city do you like?"

I imagine the thread would have quickly died.