Occam..... Think of this... How many agnostics have gone out into the world.... AND KILLED ANYONE. For not being agnostic.... Occam feels quite safe in saying. NONE
I am being truthful and honest with you about the way I feel about this. All we can both do is be honest about how we feel. What makes a body alive is the electrical impulse within it, and when that electricity leaves, the body is dead. Energy never ceases to be it only changes forms, so what is alive within us doesn't die. It isn't my fault, nor the fault of any other peaceful Christian that the message was perverted like that. Didn't you understand me earlier? The Muslims do the same thing now, is this all right with you? Then why do you come in here and specifically direct a message at all Christians? And why do you argue with me when I'm telling you that we aren't all warmongers? But you yourself just said that it contains human truth of morals and ethics. Once again, because some have perverted the message does not make the message perverted. Please get how you feel about the subject straight before you contradict yourself like this. Occam, you're whole opinion of Christians helps perpetuate the hate, or don't you understand that? I'm attempting to have open and honest communication with you, and I could tell you why this is the Truth in my life, how my life was before, but I doubt that you care. I and many of my other Christian brothers and sisters do not shower the world with violence either, and I don't appreciate the prejudice you express against us. Occam, I can't be more honest with you. Now, please, open your heart and mind for a sec, and understand that I'm not the enemy. There's a much greater evil in this world than myself, even though you may not believe that.
Hippygirl.. [or guy..sorry. guys are way smart..'i'm one . Women however are damn mystical. And way cuddly] Dont think you are any enemy... Think you are very close. Why else the hints? but..really tired now ..will talk latter., After 2 am here and occam is falling down. Really wish to continue talking. Occam now does what he has never DONE BEFORE nemesis@westnet.com.au. Sorry a false event... He gave blackguard and hikaru this addy. Both being true.honest. human beings.My friends. As much as one can have friends in this sterile datasphere. Occam
All right, hun, sleep tight. If you want to talk more when you wake up: hippielngstckng@yahoo.com I gotta go back to work now. *grin* Edit: Yes, I'm a girl. LOL!
Dear Miss H. Lngstckng. Occam asks only one thing from U before he goes horizontal on the futon.. A name..something a bit simpler than 'HippieLngstckng' Am fluent in mongolian.>but not in swahili And to tell you .that occam is an old man. Occam\
Hehe. Yeah, that's cuz agnostics don't know any better. If you kill someone and send them to the afterlife- they will know that God exists. There is nothing wrong with that. Call it a quick hard lesson in life. It's especially good to kill atheists, because they will become theists after they are killed the first time (unless they are complete morons, than you might have to kill them a bunch of times). Of course, it is also good to be patient with people and let them experience what God has planned for them, even if they are an atheist or agnostic, cuz God will kill 'em sometime anyway- you don't have to get your hands dirty if you don't want too. Whatever you end up doing is part of God's plan anyway, so do what you do. If you feel like being nice, you should. If you feel like being mean, you should so that you get your ass kicked and learn to be nice.
Yes we are, although some are more devious. Look at you deny yourself. You Monger!!! monger monger bo bonger!! Where it at? I've yet to see anything that God has not done on purpose, including make atheists.
Kharakov. You stupid prick. You want to kill someone. Try to do it before you down a pint of JD. You sound damn drunk to occam. And unlikely to hurt anything but your reputation. Do you want to live fore-ever.? Then believe in technology. It produces more tosters than religion. Occam
Isn't that non-Christian, to believe that? I swear that in the Bible, somebody started talking about a "soul" ... Anyway, man, let's not fight. The original point of this thread was to ask Christians to stop coming to the Atheist/Agnostic forums and posting what most atheists/agnostics consider drivel. The same post has been written here before. It's not new. And similar posts have been also written on the Atheist/Agnostic forums by Christians. It's not going to end. It's because everyone believes they are right. No, let me correct myself. It's because everyone believes that everyone else is wrong. So let us stop believing everyone else is wrong, And start believing that we are right. This is the subtle difference in thought that makes a person constructive. So Christians & Catholics, I quote Voltaire: I do not agree with a word you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. (As long as there are no more Crusades. )
Lol. I love you Occam, even though I am stone cold sober, and was when I wrote the message (I don't think a slight hangover mixed with lack of sleep counts as a drunk). Technology is simply an expression of God's power. You had to bring up the whole toaster thing, didn't you! You know, I got one at walmart about 8 months ago and the thing sucked so I returned it. Now I toast my bread in a cast iron skillet. So yeah, maybe you agnostics have more toasters than I do, but I have a direct connection to an all powerful being that kills people like you for breakfast, although I do have to make my toast in a cast iron skillet (which I love, toast turns out so much better that way- butter the bread first, fry it in the skillet- it is awesome). You know, God gets more pleasure out of giving stuff to someone who knows it comes from God than from giving it to someone who is oblivious to God's existence. However, a lot of the time the people who are oblivious to God's existence are useful to the people who know God exist- they develop neat toys, build houses, do lots of entertaining stuff- so God gives them abilities so that they are useful to the people who know God. Whats that old quote? "'The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand 35until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet." '[a] "
Umm, you know what, you could be right in the context of your (or my- not excluding myself here) limited understanding, but when you get new information, you will realise your previous position was wrong. The only way to prove God's existence to a die hard atheist is to kill them. If an atheist keeps on saying "Prove God's Existence", do you go ahead and prove it to them by killing them, or do you let them wallow in their ignorance? Atheists and Agnostics, I'm going to quote me: "You don't know God and it isn't your fault that the cure for your ignorance is death." Or it could just be the threat of death. Or you might learn about God some other way. I just like talking about death sometimes. Everyones awesome, don't think I don't love you just cuz I say you need to die. It's possible that I am joking. Hikky... Possible...
Not really, man. Why is it wrong to use science to explain the old concept of a soul? I don't think I'm trying to fight. But there's a difference between people that are Christian coming in and asking sincere questions and offering disagreements to their stances. The same thing goes for this Christian forum, I don't expect everyone to agree. I expect respectfulness of others beliefs. In other words, just because someone has been disrespectful doesn't warrant disrespect in return... In other words, two wrongs don't make a right. I wholeheartedly agree with you! In the same vein as constructiveness, constructive criticism should also be encouraged, however, I'm not for people coming in and calling my religion lies, any more than I'm keen of the idea of Christians coming into your forum and screaming "Sinners!" while pointing at everyone else other than themselves ('cause they're still sinners too). Hope you can understand what I mean.
Let them wallow in their ignorance, of course. Why rush death? Especially considering, all atheists are supposedly going to hell, so their only chance for a good life is here on Earth. In all honesty, I completely agree with you, that it isn't wrong. But, I am under the impression that the soul is defined as a permanent essence of yourself that transcends the universe and passes through the rent and into the void when you die. It seems to me that the difference between a "soul" and "energy" as we know it is pretty substantial. Sorry! I didn't mean to imply that you were trying to fight, I just want to make sure we're all clear on not fighting over it, so that we don't end up hating eachother. =) Also, my mother used to say that a lot, "two wrongs don't make it right." Eventually, I came up with a response: "two wrongs do make it fair." Once a wrong has happened, the situation will never be right again. In such a situation, the closest to "right" that one can become is "fair." That's my opinion, at least. I get what you're saying. =) The problem is, too many people are just disrespectful of others' stances.
I find the phrase "let them wallow in their ignorance" of great concern, mainly because it presumes 1 That "they" are wrong 2 That "we" are right When there is just as likely a third option (or possibly more) ~ it could be entirely different and beyond our ability to comprehend, let alone understand and rationally relate to, hence the confusion in defining "it".
And God uses atheists to make stuff for theists, so it would be like throwing away a free gift. I hope all atheists don't have to go to hell before they go to heaven, although I don't find it very likely that someone can reach old age and remain an atheist if they have even the slightest bit of awareness. I mean, God makes an effort to get your attention, and trust me, you are eventually gonna come to the conclusion that everything that happens to you is orchestrated by God if you have the slightest bit of intelligence. When someone 'wrongs' you, you should learn not to 'wrong' another in the same way, unless you are absolutely positive that they need to be 'wronged' in that way so that they learn not to do it to others. Since I know God organizes everything that happens in my life, I never see a wrong as a wrong- they are just occurences that must happen in order for God's plan to be fulfilled. Fuck, Jesus knew he had to die on a cross, so when a friend steals a z of headies from my roomate and I gotta pay the roomate back, I figure I got it easy- kids nowadays don't kill you on a cross, they just steal your roomates headies.
Atheists are wrong about God's existence. They can be useful and good for many things as long as they have a healthy fear of social retribution (which is what cops/ terrorists/ diseases are for- to scare the atheists and agnostics into good behavior until they learn of God's existence). Yup. The thing is, you can understand God. Maybe only at a childish level at this point in your life- but you were made by God in a way that God can teach you about God (as long as you pay attention- you don't learn trig by talking to other kids in the math class while the teacher talks). God is not unknowable in the slightest- and you will be with God forever so you are eventually going to get to know God very well.
It's Kharakov-speak. Seriously though, I think it's just a figure of speech. As an agnostic, I take no offense to the comment. Wow, God must really be half-assing it then, if he's trying to get my attention. =\ Either way, at this point you must realize, if everything that happens to me is orchestrated by God, then my disbelief in Him is also orchestrated by Him. In other words, he mustn't really be trying to get my attention, he wants me to disbelieve in him. True enough. Still, regardless of whether you do or don't 'wrong' a person back, I would think you have the moral right to make the playing field fair. Besides, maybe you don't get killed on a cross, but that's because we all have guns and crap now. Fear cops? Nothing to fear, they don't arrest for marijuana possession anymore. Fear terrorists? Dude, this is America, we're f***ing invincible, Bush says so! Fear diseases? Atheists have used science to conquer them already. God unleashes them as plagues, and we're his cleanup crew. No reason to be scared of any of these things.
Eh, I dunno. I've gotten other Christians to consider otherwise. Energy is a permanent essence in the universe, and has been proven to be what makes our bodies alive. That energy could disperse or go somewhere else, that's just one of the great mysteries I don't need to know to get through life. In any event, Christians need to start thinking outside the box. Just because something doesn't fit their ideas doesn't make it false. Just a comment on this, no offense intended, but G-d isn't going to make you pay attention. The way I believe, He's just there, and you choose to pay attention or you don't. That's the great thing about free will, it is the only thing outside of G-d's control. So we aren't robots, He won't force Himself on us. He's like our parents - Parents have rules, and they can try to make us obey them, but in the end, here we are, hanging out of our windows at 1:00 a.m., sneaking out again. And there's not a damn thing they can do about it. O wow, really??? It's about time... When did they do that?
"I'll be back.." Offered in the best tradition of the statement... Backed by Arnie and MaCarthur. Who used it. occam
