Welcome..come In..you Are Now God

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by thefutureawaits, Aug 10, 2015.

  1. Gongshaman

    Gongshaman Modus Lascivious

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    No, it has to be one of your angels. One of the fucked up ones.
     
  2. thefutureawaits

    thefutureawaits Members

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    Why wouldn't God have friends? i consider him my God and friend
     
  3. thefutureawaits

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    Sure, you can be Satan..you are now ruler of the world!
     
  4. Mattekat

    Mattekat Ice Queen of The North

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    I'm god, I'll make my own rules.
     
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  5. Gongshaman

    Gongshaman Modus Lascivious

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    Whatever get's you up in the morning, dude. It's your fantasy
     
  6. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Nothing. I agree with MeAgain. Applaud their efforts. Wouldn't have started with only 2 people though. I also would have created no angels at all, and leave the concept of perfection out of it. But if the earthlings would some day come up with it themselves I would accept that too.
     
  7. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Thinking on this further.....since Adam and Eve were innocent and perfect they could do no wrong. Innocent means they would have no concept of disobedience and so couldn't be held accountable for any actions they take that their creator suddenly decides is wrong. They have no concept of wrong. Perfect implies they can do no wrong, so any action they take is above right and wrong.


    So the one who commits the wrong is the creator, not his creations which he treats as puppets which he can mistreat through his capricious whims and flawed tests which he uses to bolster his own feelings of superiority. He sets them up to fail and then fakes compassion as he banishes them from their innocent perfect world to one of pain and suffering in which they now must earn the right to reenter, only after submission to him and death. Or they can spit in his eye and be condemned to eternal hell.

    Nice guy.
     
  8. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

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    I always liked the Gnostic idea that God was actually a devil or demiurge and Christ was the serpent.
     
  9. Asmodean

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    I found that idea interesting but not very likeable in the end at all :p I mean as in hard to like. But to me it also seems not likely at all (a happy coincidence) :)
     
  10. Asmodean

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    It is clearly a human portrayal of the creator. It already didn't make sense to me as a kid and I let it explain to me by different people who knew their stuff and sincerely believed in it several times. In the end I could conclude with certainty that most of Genesis is symbolical and not ment to be taken literally. Same with a story like Abraham that almost sacrifices Isaac. Or the story of Yob (still one of my favs actually).

    But in the end, and thinking outside the good lord box, why is it more ludicrous to believe in a bad and punishing God than in an all loving and forgiving one? Because it doesn't serve the believer themself? Seems not so by default. Because we (people who don't believe it) have an aversion to such a God and can see it could lead to very faulty actions? Hmm, I guess that's mostly it.
    Maybe people believing in such an unsympathetic God are often the most sincere believers, because it seems they did not place faith in a God just because He is so likeable to It's followers. Just some mind farts! ;)
     
  11. Dejavu~

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    Me: "Thou shalt perish of thy perfidy mine pets! Yes, verily, even now as thou gawp in dismay at thy transgression, the gluttonous stomachs revolt at thine ill-gotten feast! Thy goose hath been cooked! Go hence from thy home unto the perdition that awaiteth thee! Die suckers!

    Jack: "I think we'll prepare it differently next time."

    Jill: "Dad, sorry to change the subject, but did you know you've got dinosaurs?"

    Me: "Whatever. You bastards ate my special turnip when I asked you not to. Your mother's going to hear about this. The thing I don't get is why you didn't think to make it a family dinner. Ah forget it. Just... ah fuck it. Later chumps."
     
  12. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Sound like archaic meme dude :-D
     
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  13. Dejavu~

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    Go smear the pap of some other knave thou scrofulous hedge-born rumpwarten! :D
     
  14. Asmodean

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    Mammaries or begone with thee!
     
  15. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    what is this place called earth these little egos are yammering about?
    i didn't make them. coyote did. he thought it was some kind of a joke.

    i'm god? i don't make planets. i program the universe to make them.
    what makes life appear on them? i have no idea.

    i just know i dream things. and then they become real.
    i can direct my dreams, but that's not the same as controlling and choosing everything that happens.

    all this stuff people on earth come up with, people on other planets in other solar systems come up with stuff too.
    different stuff, and there are billions of different solar systems that have planets that have people on them.

    further apart then they can get from one to another of in their life times, so they can only guess about this.
    egos don't like not knowing everything. even as a god.

    but diversity, even on one planet, is observably more then any one awareness can create,
    other then by creating some sort of automated process to do so.

    so all this adam and eve stuff, do you really think a god would be so silly as to come up with crap like that?
    adam was an ape who started a religion. all the rest of that he came up with himself.

    something to manipulate his wife and kids with.

    what would i do about it? not a damd thing. i didn't have anything to do with it to begin with, so why would i.
    besides, i've got a universe full of billions of earths to be amused by.

    as for sparrows on their heads, they've got sparrows on the brain.

    never heard of this satan/anti-god guy they came up with either.

    there's a lot of other invisible god like people, but nothing like a hierarchal monarchy. that's something else they just came up with themselves.
     
  16. I might cry or panic. I had to give this creature free will because I loved it so much. I wanted it to feel like its own person. But I still told it what to do, and being God, didn't really think it would disobey my commands. Everything I had ever commanded before had done my bidding, just as Moses parted the Red Sea. This was unexpected, though. What do I do, I would wonder, I have never experienced this before. This is strange and baffling to me.

    Or maybe I had done this before and this commonly happened, that the creatures with free will I had created disobeyed me, and it just didn't bother me that much for it to happen. Maybe I'm depressed as God, and figure what's done is done: a thing had disobeyed me once and now I was useless as a person.

    So it occurs to me that free will can't really exist if there is a God, because anything God commands should be. If there is something that God cannot command, is God truly God? I would say no. That then there is a power that exists that God cannot have: the power to control one's own destiny.
     
  17. FritzDaKatx2

    FritzDaKatx2 Vinegar Taster

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    Whats with this "you are now" business?

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/alc/emerald.htm
     
  18. heeh2

    heeh2 Senior Member

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    I would swap the location of their anus and mouth.

    My will be done.
     
  19. heeh2

    heeh2 Senior Member

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    Because anything God commands should be.
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    Because anything I command should exist.
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    Because anything I influence must exist.

    I influence things, and I ifluence myself, therefore I must exist.

    This thread makes me wonder what is the difference between Adam, eve, and God.
     
  20. heeh2

    heeh2 Senior Member

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    "The difference is that they are different."

    Is the description of a form.

    It is the description of an experience.

    It is the description of Qualia.

    There is no proof of its existence.

    Because proof does not make the world go round.

    Only God can do that.
     
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