We were gonna change the world...what happened?

LoL...

 

The world is being manipulated the same way gas is. They take it from $2/gal to $2.75, then after awhile were happy that it has gone down to $2.50 before they raise it to $3. The same is done with our political parties. John Kerry and George Bush were both Skull and Bones men. They are being controlled by the Bilderberg group.

In 2004 while everyone was concentrating on the election the Bilderberg Group was meeting to discuss the 2008 elections. They are letting Bush take us to $3.50 a gal. Then the next president will be a Democrat to take us to $3. So who did they choose? I don't know, but I found it interesting that Kerrys' running mate John Edwards was at The Bilderberg meeting in Stresa. So were a few others. Those who don't believe in the conspiracy theory about a shadow government running the world are naive and foolish.

2003
Guests in the 2003 Bilderberg Meeting included:

US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld
Richard Perle
David Rockefeller as well as various other members of the Rockefeller family
Henry Kissinger
Queen Beatrix
Bill Gates
Carlos M. Collazo
High officials of various assorted governments

2004
Guests in the 2004 Bilderberg Meeting, held from June 3 to June 6 in Stresa, Italy:

Many of the people who attended in 2003
British Petroleum chief John Browne
US Senator John Edwards
World Bank president James Wolfensohn
British Prime Minister Tony Blair
President George W. Bush
Melinda Gates, wife of Bill Gates
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2005
Guests in the 2005 Bilderberg Meeting, from May 5 to May 8 in German Bavaria included:

Josef Ackermann of Deutsche Bank
Jorma Ollila of Nokia
Richard Perle
Vernon Jordan
Jürgen Schrempp of DaimlerChrysler
Peter Sutherland of Goldman Sachs International
Daniel Vasella of Novartis
James Wolfensohn of the Worldbank
Among others who were expected to be present (according to the Financial Times of May 2):

Henry Kissinger
Carlos M. Collazo
Natan Sharansky
Bernard Kouchner

"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and start slitting throats" H. L. Mencken

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

 

Trystn



I think it’s great you want to work toward some kind of organized movement in the right direction. I will again quote a line from a Who song. “Let’s get together before we get much older.” I’d really, really, really like to believe that that’s possible. In the last few years every time I heard that line I said to myself; too late, we all got older. This forum has kind of sparked something off in me that I believe is called hope. I’d like to believe that we can come up with one or two things we could all work toward.


Here’s a topic I feel we could all discuss.
I’d like to work toward a real plan to take care of us after we can’t work anymore.

Did ya know that the main dudes working in the government have a plan that gives them the exact same money they make working when they stop working?

It’s true. They also get the same healthcare plan when they leave office. FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.

This has troubled me for some time now. Lot's more lately as I get close to the time when I might not be able to work.

Oh well…….food for thought.

 

From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3773019.stm :

Formed in the spirit of post-war trans-Atlantic co-operation, the idea behind Bilderberg was that future wars could be prevented by bringing power-brokers together in an informal setting away from prying eyes.

"Bilderberg is the most useful international group I ever attended. The confidentiality enabled people to speak honestly without fear of repercussions.

"In my experience the most useful meetings are those when one is free to speak openly and honestly. It's not unusual at all. Cabinet meetings in all countries are held behind closed doors and the minutes are not published."
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Actually i blame the girl scouts as a kid i was left out of their meetings and not allowed to join.Where does that cookie money really go?Bill gates?Come on.These theories give idiots like timothy mcveigh a reason to kill innocent kids.Usually invented by some talk show host to boost ratings and increase profits.There's your conspiricy.Keep on keeping on.peace

 

i agree 100% it's called paranoia.Too much coke will do that to a person...

 

Its called being REAL....if your 25 you may still be in the "immortallity phase"...if your 50....your feelin' "IT"...

There are conspiracies...on many levels.

'Peace talks' are conspiracies...on a more public level.

In this world Money=Power.
Power to manipulate things like gas prices....last time we got gas it was a real experience...I was not on coke or feeling paranoid.

Recently the credit card companies got together with their cronnies in the big house and decided to change some bankruptcy laws.....to benifit the credit comp.

I hate credit companies, I don't carry debt. but it was a manipulation nontheless.

People were buying their drugs from Canada... exchange rates at the time were 40% under our dollar a great savings for people finding it hard to afford their meds...."OUR" gov. has made it illegal now to do so.

Us everyday people who have a little savings, work to pay our bills,worry about next week, next month etc. cannot imagine what is going on at the "top of the heap"....

I see what greed does to people, and I am never surprised.

 

We were gonna change the world...what happened?

Juding from some of the posts in this thread, it's pretty clear what happened. Apathy, fear and submission.

voided37, Please enlighten me. What exactly is Anarchic Harmony? What problem is it a solution for?

Peace - Trystn

 

I'm glad I stumbled across this thread, lotsa good ideas on here, most of which I agree with whole-heartedly, and pardon me if I miss the obvious, I kinda jumped in in the middle. I don't have the time to read the entire thread right now, but I'd like to be a part of it, so I figured I'd throw some crap against the wall and see if it sticks, and now I'll have it on "my posts" list if nothing else, so I can keep checkin' on it...

I agree that the root of the problem is apathy and complacency, but the system is setup to do just that, make us feel powerless, like nothing we can do can make a difference, and to some extent it's true, and it's gotten worse, but I still think there's hope. Poor_old_dad hit it on the head when he described a sense of a "new era of activism." It may seem naive, but I live near a college community and I sense it. The younger generation as a whole seems to be rejecting the "work your ass off for the man" mentality so prevalent in the 80's and 90's, in favor of more grass-roots ideals. We can only hope they remember these ideals when they get out into the "real world." BTW, I also made a similar statement denouncing bi-partisan politics a few days ago on a different thread, good to see someone shares my views...

Things are way over the top right now, and historically that's been an opportunity for large-scale change. The scary thing is that Journalism is so distorted these days that most Americans don't have the knowledge to make informed choices when it comes to influencing policy, and many of our policy makers are (evidently) ignorant when it comes to History.

"He who does not learn from his mistakes is doomed to repeat them"

 

Those in power will abuse it,but to shift that power to another group is is only transfering power so someone else who will abuse it.It's human nature.It will not fix things it would only cause turmoil.We could be like Somolia with their warlords each their own private little governmentThats what would happen if we did truly revolt.No,we need to fix what we have to the best of our power.Voting is worthless.That was proven in florida and even to a greater degree here in California when arnold was crowned.Voting is just a passification of the public that is too lazy to do anything..If you truly want change quit blaming the government and realize that we are the government and take charge.i guess my problem is that at 50 years i still believe in the goodness of human nature.

 

Exactly why I disagree with Anarchic Harmony. It could never be accomplished. Someone, or some group will always step up to "run things" the way they see best. (Though I still haven't been enlightened as to what the term Anarchic Harmony actually implies by the one who brought it into this conversation, I can only assume it means to exist in a society where people can co-exist harmoniously without an organized system of control and order, and people to facilitate it.)

Right on! While "the system" may present many obstacles to prevent change, there are plenty of ways to work within the system to force it to submit to the people's will. It is not enough to speak up, we must also stand up and be willing to do something about it.

No disrespect my friend, but where did you get the idea that goodness was ever an integral quality of human nature? Human nature is driven by the biological instinct to survive. It doesn't consider good or bad. That was the problem with the hippy creed "Peace, Love and Togetherness." The same as Anarchic Harmony, it's a great concept but can never be a reality on a large scale. You guys established a vision for it and even lived it to some extent, yet the notion of Peace, Love and Togetherness continues to evade those who continue to search for it. Still, even though it may only be a naive pipe dream, I also continue to seek those qualities in my world. I still believe that likeminded individuals can join together and at the least, begin to influence others in that direction again.

The key question is, what is your definition of goodness?

 

Anyone ever hear the joke about the farmer who called the guy in the big city who was a mule tamer, and hired him to come to the farm and train his mule? When the guy got there he took a 2X4 out of his bag and started bashing the mule in the head.

The farmer yelled "What the hell are you doing. That's no way to train a mule!"

The mule tamer said "I know, but I haven't started yet. I'm still trying to get his attention!"

What happened in the '60's was we all got hit in the head by that 2X4. The problem was once they got our attention, they left. We were on our own. We attempted to do something no one had tried before. But we made mistakes, and the dream got fucked up. Now here we are in the 21st Century. The middle class is under assault, and the poor live under the shadow of Corporate Welfare being directed by a man who's family did business with the Nazis. Another unjust war drains the blood of our youth and once again, we are getting hit in the head with that 2X4.

I'm hopeful that eventually the true Christians will open their eyes and see through the rhetoric of the Christian Right. And hopefully the middle class will open their eyes as well. A lot of the young people are getting a headache from that 2X4, and the Iraq war. What can we do to help them? We're a bunch of old pot head fogeys who they might not want to hang with, but we need to figure a way to teach them to learn from our mistakes. when I get the opportunity to hang with my kids friends (he's 17) I try to talk to them, and explain how things work in the world. And they listen! They want to know and understand. Don't forget they are being indoctrinated by the same system that indoctrinated (or tried to) us. We need to figure the best way to use our experience. What's the old saying? "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."

Gate68. The Bilderbergs have been around long before Talk shows and television. McVeigh didn't blow up Oklahoma City because of the Bilderbergs. He did it because he was pissed off that the Army wouldn't take him into Special Forces, even after he got a Bronze Star in Gulf War 1, while serving as a lead gunner on a Bradley Fighting Vehicle. His favorite movie was Red Dawn, about fighting a Commie invasion, and his favorite book was "The Turner Diaries" by former American Nazi Party official William Pierce. Writing under the name Andrew Macdonald, Pierce pumps out a litany of hate through the main character Earl Turner. This "hero" demonstrates his contempt for gun control laws by truck-bombing the Washington FBI headquarters. He also appears to favor Adolf Hitler and dismiss blacks and Jews as worthy of annihilation.

I don't watch much TV but I doubt talk Show hosts are talking that line. And I doubt Oprah had anything to do with training McVeigh to kill. I hope those quotes didn't appear to convey my acceptance of violence as a solution though. The overthrow of a violent institution by violence begets nothing but more of the same, although I confess that at times, like Mencken, I feel like sliting some throats. sigh.......

Anyway, I would like to put forth a path one can consider. There's lots of talk about Democrats and Republicans, and this party and that party in other countries as well. That fragmentation of control is one of the weapons they use to hold on to power. That's why I chose to become a member of the Green Party. The Green Party U.S.A. is but a part of the Global Green Party. And I think that's the way to go. A global government is what the big boys really want. Now is the time to start forming the Global Opposition Party. I would ask you one favor. Read our Preamble to our charter. That's it. If you find it interesting, then check out the Green Party in your country. We're growing. We're winning municipal and state races all over the U.S. We're not a powerful enough entity to challenge the big boys but we're gaining slowly but surely.


Preamble
We, as citizens of the planet and members of the Global Greens,

United in our awareness that we depend on the Earth's vitality, diversity and beauty, and that it is our responsibility to pass them on, undiminished or even improved, to the next generation

Recognising that the dominant patterns of human production and consumption, based on the dogma of economic growth at any cost and the excessive and wasteful use of natural resources without considering Earth's carrying capacity, are causing extreme deterioration in the environment and a massive extinction of species

Acknowledging that injustice, racism, poverty, ignorance, corruption, crime and violence, armed conflict and the search for maximum short term profit are causing widespread human suffering

Accepting that developed countries through their pursuit of economic and political goals have contributed to the degradation of the environment and of human dignity

Understanding that many of the world's peoples and nations have been impoverished by the long centuries of colonisation and exploitation, creating an ecological debt owed by the rich nations to those that have been impoverished

Committed to closing the gap between rich and poor and building a citizenship based on equal rights for all individuals in all spheres of social, economic, political and cultural life

Recognising that without equality between men and women, no real democracy can be achieved

Concerned for the dignity of humanity and the value of cultural heritage

Recognising the rights of indigenous people and their contribution to the common heritage, as well as the right of all minorities and oppressed peoples to their culture, religion, economic and cultural life

Convinced that cooperation rather than competition is a pre-requisite for ensuring the guarantee of such human rights as nutritious food, comfortable shelter, health, education, fair labour, free speech, clean air, potable water and an unspoilt natural environment

Recognising that the environment ignores borders between countries

and

Building on the Declaration of the Global Gathering of Greens at Rio in 1992

Assert the need for fundamental changes in people's attitudes, values, and ways of producing and living

Declare that the new millennium provides a defining point to begin that transformation

Resolve to promote a comprehensive concept of sustainability which

protects and restores the integrity of the Earth's ecosystems, with special concern for biodiversity and the natural processes that sustain life
acknowledges the interrelatedness of all ecological, social and economic processes
balances individual interests with the common good
harmonises freedom with responsibility
welcomes diversity within unity
reconciles short term objectives with long term goals
ensures that future generations have the same right as the present generation to natural and cultural benefits
Affirm our responsibility to one another, to the greater community of life, and to future generations

Commit ourselves as Green parties and political movements from around the world to implement these interrelated principles and to create a global partnership in support of their fulfilment

Global Green Party Site

Current Office Holders U.S.

Current Office Holders World Wide

Green Party Links World Wide

 

Good stuff luvhuffer! Who do you refer to as "they"?

 

...and that is the goodness of human nature...

 

They being Seargeant Fletcher Industries and the whole Military Industrial Complex. The Political Institutions, etc. Once they got our attention it was up to us to spread the word that we were getting hit in the head. There was plenty of spreading, but not much in the way of finding solutions to stop the pain. Those who were ready to step up and offer solutions were silenced. ML King, Bobby Kennedy etc. I was a campaign worker for Bobby and was at the Ambassador Hotel the night he got shot. We were in a lower level conference hall. After speaking to the big wigs and the media upstairs, he was headed down to talk to, and thank all us "little guys" that worked for his/our dream for a better world. That was pretty much the end of my politicization, except for some political sniping I did during tricky dicks bid for reelection. I remained pretty much apolitical till the Dubya fiasco and demonization of the left began in '01. The reappearance of the trickle down economics by the boys from the Reagan administration. Rummy and Cheney and especially those motherfuckers at The Cato Institute You can read about Cato and their "simulated rationality" here. They operate under the guise of Libertarian, but Libertarian has about as much to do with them as "The Friendly Forests Initiative" has to do with being friendly to forests.

 

You got into the weed and decided to sit around smoking instead.

 

From Rush to Tom Bell to chuck harder,they wouldn't have lasted without making up conspiracies.Sure there are secret groups.but you get a room full of different minded people like the ones mentioned it would be like me and voided conspiring.It ain't gonna happen.The group is too diverse.Honestly to get "real" it's the poor (usually druggies) that rip me off,steal shit out of my truck.Bill Gates doesn't need my saw.Price fixing does happen and the gov does get bought down.This is a flaw not some elite group.We are them.

 

HHMMM...ever paid any money into Social Security???
They don't need your saw either...but someone got into the money...and it wern't no druggie.

I never voted to use the money that was in there...never voted for the ones who thought it was a 'good' idea.
Even after all this broo haha about the bux ain't gonna be there after a short while....they'll still take it out of your check every week.
My son is 22...he works...they say it ain't gonna be there for him..period.
But when he got paid last week...duduction was there for SS...

Now thats a rip-off if I ever heard one.

I worked in a pharmacy for years...alot of people could not afford their meds, I gave away my employee discount every chance I got.
People started going by bus to Canada to get their scripts filled...saved them money...didn't have to eat hot dogs and beans every night whooppee...now it's illegal to do that.

lots of big boy back scratchin' goin on....

 

SS?

Ronald Reagan took all that money in the 80s... spent it

 

and my wifes doctor after comping us services and giving us boxes of free samples until she could get on one of the services offered by the drug companies for free and discount drugs.When she was well enough to work full time and get insurance the doc helped us conspire against the insurance to get her drugs paid for.SS is broke cause it was a pipe dream in the start.A pyramid game.It is "social insurance" not a retirement plan.Too many took advantage.Like welfare meant for those who really need it.Not spoiled kids or parents too wasted to provide for thier kids.Certaintly not for those working under the table and we've all known a few.Really i'm not so sure that wasn't bill gates in the back of my truck.

 

your right about ss...however they still took the money out of your check.
Still taking it. Whether its social insurance or not.
Larry and I are a couple of the lucky ones. He will collect in just under 2 years and it will cover every cent we need to live.
If he had invested every cent of it at the start...who knows if it would be there or not. My father lost a bunch of his vested money in the 80's.

Thats great about your wife, at the pharmacy, the pharmacist and I gave meds out at cost when we could.
I also have found sympathetic docs who gave me samples.
And yes htere is a program here in Ohio for people who have trouble paying for their meds too.
I'm not sure what the criteria is however....some peole are the working poor...make just a tad too much to get much help.

{{{{gate68}}}} I just love you.