was jesus gay

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by showmet, May 2, 2005.

  1. showmet

    showmet olen tomppeli

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    What I meant by that was that his teachings are overwhelmingly about tolerance, forgiveness and understanding. Quite distinct from the vengeful and angry god of the old testament. Jesus was quite the liberal compared to the authoritarian conception of god that went before.

    True it really doesn't matter whether Jesus had sex with men. But given the importance of homosexuality as an issue to many contemporary christians, it's interesting to consider where Jesus would've stood on the issue. Whether he had gay sex or not, I find it very hard to believe he would've been against it, because that would seem to be against the spirit of his teaching of tolerance and acceptance. So where along the line did it become OK to condemn homosexuality in Jesus' name?
     
  2. Art Delfo

    Art Delfo It is dark

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    It seems that everyone these days will acusse anyone of being gay just for a laugh or just to cause controvercy.heck people have even acussed Aberham Lincon for being gay......grow up...
     
  3. Zoomie

    Zoomie My mom is dead, ok?

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    No one is making fun of Jesus... Ok, some of us are. But there is nothing wrong with being gay.

    This is more like dissecting a mythical figure, like "Was Superman Gay?" or "Was The Green Lantern A Kid Toucher?"
     
  4. Maggie Sugar

    Maggie Sugar Senior Member

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    I certianly hope so. Cuz I have a half linen, half cotton dress, and I don't want to be an abomination for wearning it. (Because LEV says that this is.) I also don't want to have to move my toilet a certain number of paces (can't remember how many) from my dining room and bedroom.
     
  5. Lizardman0

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    I don't care. Even if it was proven that he was it wouldn't matter. There are people that say Jesus is the son of god, but he didn't believe it. He is their object, their dead idol.
     
  6. White Feather

    White Feather Senior Member

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    Showmet,

    That link mentions Mark 10:34,35 but it doesn't exist. At best it is mentioned in Mark 14:51, Now a young man followed him wearing nothing but a linen cloth about his body. They seized him, but he left the cloth behind and ran off naked.

    Mark 10:32 says that he took the 11 to Gethsemane. He separated Peter, James and John. He admonishes Peter, son of John (Bar Jonah) for falling asleep (along with the other two). Matthew 26:36 says that it was Peter and the two sons of Zebedee. John 21:2 lists Simon Peter, Thomas (Didymus), Nathaniel from Cana, Zebedee's Sons and two others. John 21:7 So the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter... {Thomas (Didymus) therefore could not be a son of Zebedee} Therefore, are the two sons of Zebedee James and John? (John Zebedee and James Zebedee).

    Some speculate that it was Thomas who was the disciple whom was dressed in linen. Some say that Thomas was his twin brother. Others say that Judas was really Thomas and that Judas was Jesus' twin brother.

    John 21:20 says, Peter turned and saw the disciple following whom Jesus loved, the one who had also reclined upon his chest during the supper and had said, "Master who is the one who will betray you?" When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, "Lord what about him?" Jesus said to him, "What if I want him to remain until I come? What concern is it of yours? You follow me." So the word spread among the brothers that that disciple would not die. But Jesus had not told him that he would not die, just "What if I want him to remain until I come? [What concern is it of yours?]"

    It is this disciple who testifies to these things and has written them..."

    Some say that it is Judas who wrote the Gospel of John. Ah, but which Judas? Judas his brother, also called Thomas (supposedly, see below), or Judas, son of Simon, the Iscariot? My NAB has as a footnote to John 14:22 (Judas, not the Iscariot...) "Probably not the brother of Jesus in Mark 6:3, Matthew 13:55 or the apostle named Jude in Luke 6:16 but Thomas, although other readings have 'Judas the Cananean". John 11:16 refers to Thomas, called Didymus... Didymus is the Greek word twin; Thomas is derived from the Aramaic word for twin; in an Syriac version his given name, Judas, is supplied".

    John 13:23, One of his disciples, the one whom Jesus loved, was reclining at Jesus' side. So Simon Peter nooded to him to find out whom he meant. He leaned back against Jesus' chest and said to him, "Master who is it?"

    If that is true, then there's no way that Jesus would be making love to his own twin brother.

    In "Jesus, Last of the Pharaohs," Ralph Ellis goes so far as to say that Lazarus was Judas the Iscariot and that it was this Judas whom Jesus loved, his own brother. Unfortunately his scholarship must be called into question when he leaves out a word or two or contorts scripture to his own ends.. His quote reads Then Peter, turning about, sees the disciple whom Jesus loved following, which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? Was it a conscious omission? Ellis goes so far as say that Lazarus' 'death' was really a Masonic ritual. Along the way he says that John the Baptist was the high priest of Israel, all of 18 years old. Makes you wonder about the man's sanity, doesn't it?

    Ruminating upon whether Jesus was gay is a waste of time. You would be better served by speaking to someone who is Enlightened (an actual person instead of one who carries that label). One may be surprised to feel what a Buddha field feels like. I dare say that one who is Enlightened will drawn onto him both sexes, as his energy will not be male or female, his being is overflowing with sexual energy. To accuse such a person of being gay is ignorance at its best. Supposedly one of India's Enlightened went so far as to grow breasts. Who's to say? It's like the story of the body of St. Thomas being in India. After centuries it supposedly has started to decay, and this is supposed to signal the End Times.

    It really is amazing what appeals to people's minds. Such is evidence enough to betray political motives. Take for example Von Daniken who denies Jesus ever existing in one book and then quoting him in another.

    Sheer madness.


     
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