Was Jesus Gay?

They were raping all foreigners that came into their land. Rape and homosexuality are not the same thing, although many people like to confuse them. It didn't say that the problem was that men were having sex with men, it said that the problem was the men were RAPING men.

I would not wish homosexuality on them, but I wouldn't care if they turned out to be gay. My only wish is for a happy child. Why would I care who my child is attracted to?

Jesus said that although the old testament says an eye for an eye, we are now supposed to turn the other cheek. There's just one for ya.

 

Jesus gay?...my guess he got laid more than most people in this thread have

 

Try a decade or two of getting reactions from other mums that most of the other mums never get, or your hubby, a decade or two of having to hear dumb jokes from his mates, or seeing every other dad hold back a giggle when they meet your son.

Not meaning to sound like I'm playing the victim card, trying to point out parenting doesnt mean the same for everyone, and of course not just gay.

Sometimes it aint easy at all for the parents, and thats not about the kid, but everyone else

 

in order to actually KNOW that nobody spoke to god when writing the bible you'd actually have to BE those poeple. also just because we don't see the things back then happening today doesn't mean they didn't happen.

I believe the pillar of salt thing is possible but highly doubtful. it's probably metaphorical or she got petrified like the victims of mount Vesuvius. I'm also in doubt about the old testament because it was written by Moses (the first five books at least) therefore not all accounts of what happened may be accurate and vital parts may have been scratched out. and of course he was human so there's a little thing called personal opinion that may have been put in.

another things is if a person's religious views don't harm or alienate anybody (and mine don't) then you really need just let them be. as I've said in other threads I am NOT an orthodox Christian. I don't hate gays, I don't hate people because of their religion and I don't believe God will send you to hell because of either of those things because they're a good all loving being. if you DO elieve that then I probably won't be able to convince you otherwise

if you don't like, or don't believe in somebody else's religious views then that's fine but unless something they believe is truly wrong or bad then leave them alone and they probably will do the same for you. if they don't then fire at will.
yes I might believe somebody if they said they saw somebody turned into a pillar of salt. even more if they just said "somebody" and not "somebody REAL"

we can both believe we're right but let's face it. there's fifty percent chance I'm right and there is a God and a fifty percent chance you're right and there isn't. however the only real way to find out is to die so unless you get killed and come back to life your beliefs are no more valid than mine or anybody else's except for this one religion that I'd rather not speak of. our beliefs are much more valid than it though.

 

I know having a gay child may not be as easy as having a straight one. Especially in the town where I live. But I would much rather my child be true to who they are than feel like they have to live a lie. My kids will be raised to accept all people without prejudice. And they will also be raised to know that I will love them no matter what.

 

Well, I didnt say it was all negative. Parents may worry about how they are going to turn out later on, but at 8 yrs old the other mums are going to be a little bit jealous that little girly gay dude pays a little more attention to the mum, other dads a little more jealous the 8 yr old tomboyish girl is a little more independant, more likely to join in playing catch than sitting with her dolls not really having anything to do with daddy

Pretty much all gay guys and girls train themsleves earlier on how to fly under the radar, conflict resolution, take advantages of everyone elses denial. The decision to come out of the closet or not isnt just about avoiding homophobia, it has just as much to do with the opposite sex as the same sex, and thats about stuff you'll pretty much never hear us say out loud.

Are you sure about that?, what about stranger danger? You going to teach your daughter she shouldnt differentiate between unknown older men and unknown older women?

Most girls, before they have kids, see the overprotective mother/ girly gay son combo and have a little giggle to themsleves, thinking its all about the mum, being too clingy, breast feeding too long or what not. Its not till they have kids, and well into parenting BTW, that it hits them, its just as much about that little gay dude working out way too fast and too early how to whip that mother. So if you have a gay son, yes he's going to work out that you will probably do anything for him, probably a decade before you realise.

Hope that doesnt come off sounding nasty, just Nothing in life is ever simple, there are always at least two opposing forces at work, as the saying goes "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". Just make sure the good intentions you have for your kids dont end up producing the opposite effect

 

I think the "DaVinci Code" had it right - Mary was (I think maybe probably) Jesus' wife.

 

it does makes sense.. the water into wine story.

it was the grooms task to provide wine and refreshments..

 

As for stranger danger, it is more likely that a child will be harmed by someone they know well, then some stranger. But it is possible to raise a child that can accept people and protect themselves to the best of their ability. That is how I was raised.
I don't have kids, and I don't have all the answers. Parenthood is a learn as you go thing. But I don't want my kids to have to go through what my friends are going through. My one friend's mother told her that she hates the person that she has become. My other friend's mother said that she's okay with her being gay as long as she doesn't ever act on those feelings because it's against God. She's afraid to tell her dad because her dad will probably disown her. And other than them, I've watched quite a few of my friends deal with coming out to their parents (or not, sometimes), I don't want my children to have to go through what many of my friends did. Unfortunately, most of those families that had the most trouble with it were the christian families.

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I don't really understand what you are saying here.

 

Viewing from the outside it may look a bit harsh, and for the gay teen or early twenty something in this case, it may be a real head trip. But in the end we are kind of better off for it.

As a gay teen, realising early you are more of the grown up then your parents. Scratching your head as you run around in secret with your parents having no clue. Hearing Dad claim how good a family man he is, saying things like he'd do anything for his family, or he really loves his kids when you know he probably would disown you if he found out you were gay. Hearing things like same sex stuff is against God and thinking to yourself, Really? Love for another human is against God?.....Stuff like that, you tend to be better sorting through everyone elses bullshit earlier on.

When the kid finally comes out, part of the reason the parents get angry has nothing to do with gay. Angry at themsleves that with their own flesh and blood, those they've been living with for decades, they had no clue (even though often everyone else did), the kid was always a couple steps ahead of them. When it comes to the strictly religous or suppoesedly strictly moral if those closest to them said one thing publically and were doing else privately and they were clueless, well then who else in the congregation has been doing that all along, and what other things besides gay......ohh.

 

It's a life lesson for those that are strong. But it could be the last straw for one that is not so strong and sure. When they start to believe these lies. I've known three people that have commited suicide where other's reactions to their sexuality was a big factor in their choosing to take their own life. I have a friend who just this last week came very close to killing herself and her fear and self worth since coming out were the reasons that she was thinking about it. And there's others that live a straight life because when they tried to come out their families did not support them and they are very unhappy because they can't be who they really are.

 

Err...yeah, that may be the case some of the time, even most of the time.

But you'd really have to get inside their heads to work out what the real reason is.

That person may be your best best friend, you may think you know them very well, they may even say to you this is the reason I'm so depressed, thinking about offing myself.

Doesnt mean its always the truth, the main reason might have something to do with stuff they'll never say out loud to anyone. Sometimes sexuality might just be the cover. Even if they have just come out and are dealing with a whole lot of crap in regards to that, doesnt mean thats the main reason, could be something that has nothing to do with that and no one ever finds out why

 

I don't think Jesus was gay, though he could have been married and his wife died before he began preaching. His life between 18 and 30 is unknown.

 

No Jesus was certainly not gay, what a suggestion...

 

I know that I will never know another's mind. Heck, I don't even know my own. But that doesn't change what I think. I don't know what it is, you seem to just want to argue everything I say. Even if it doesn't even negate my position. Hell, I say I wan't my children raised to accept people and you say that means my kids are gonna get kidnapped. I'm sorry if I'm reading you wrong. It just seems like you're looking for a fight or maybe you are just really negative. I can't tell what it is.

 

You can take it as arguing if you want, such is the nature of non verbal communication.

Negative? Thats a bit general.

Cynical a better description, yes, very cynical. Especially in terms of the words that come out of peoples mouths on a range of personal issues. Easier to get the truth through instincts than trusting those words. I'm not talking about you there.

There isnt really much need for me to crap on further, I could say - especially when it comes to parenting please consider all sides to each aspect, but your instincts will probably kick in anyway

 

yes, cynical is what I was getting. You just make me feel so down. I may be young and naive, but I do know that one way does not work for all situations. And that you just need to learn as you go.

 

Yes, Jesus was a raving woofter, obv.

 

Sorry didnt mean too

Oh, God, no I dont beleive in any of that age=experience crap.

Kind of like whats going on in this thread, I ponder hmmm was Jesus Gay?

Some supposedly learned folk have said things like pfff, proposterous, and I bet by gay they jump to thinking gay like Carson Kresley prancing around matching belt buckles with shoes, cos in their learned lifetime thats the only gay guy they know about, Where as I'm talking more like gay in the kind of way everyone thinks this guy that plays Edward in Twilight might be; extra extra attentive and sensitive.

Age doesnt equal experience, I'm sure there are some things I am more naive about than you.

Either Ignorance is bliss or Knowledge is power, which direction is the best way to go, who knows, which will make you happier, a nicer person, well there are people sitting in nursing homes still pondering that.

With my waffles-on just pick and choose or ignore altogether, wasnt trying to argue with you, in the end I do just like to see myself type

 

Conditioning a communities behaviour and thoughts to experience power and control.

And also providing some form of written faith, hope a belief.

Both points rather arguable amongst many other reasons too