Was Jesus Divine?

No. The Pope has called Mary a co-redemtrix, but it isn't official teaching (ie, it has not been declared an infalliable statement).

I'd like you to show me where i says that anything and everything out of a papoes mouth is infalliable.

 

:lol: and you're funny too! Still doesn't add to the discussion.

 

http://papaltruth.blogspot.com/

Another source demonstrating the not everythig the pope says is infalliable

 

"Every single human being is divine"

- I'll second that. Don't need any popes thank you very mutch.

"But as Catholics, people BELIEVE that the Pope does have the Divine Word here on earth"
- LOL, didn't change any words, just highlighted a different one. People can BELIEVE all sorts of crazy things.

 

You are tool's tool.

 

only the things that come out of his mouth ex cathedra are infallible. I've always wondered how to tell which things those are.

 

mmm k... I have a psycosis that I think Im a Arc Angel. Is that the same as being a pope. Or do I out rank him?

Rev 3:19

 

I think they announce that they are speaking as such, but i do not know...

 

I've been thinking about this belief and why I dont like it. This is what I came up with.

1. If the universe is really God, then God is only here for our manipulation, control, and measurement. That isn't the nature of God in my opinion, just the nature of the universe.

2. The universe is composed of matter, energy, space, and time. All of these things are in finite measurment, with the possible exception of time. To me, God would not be a finite thing.

 

And I hope you feel extravegently inteligent for that quote that states the obvious. Just pat yourself on the back and say "Who's a nobody? You are!"

 

OMG. How does he keep doing this. 5 full posts of investigation and philosophy, one plain simple line of logic blows you out of the water as you were paddling so hard in your rubber dingy... damn

 

Here is my age old beef with christianity as a whole. WHAT ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT lived before the first coming of Jesus!? What was the fate of thier souls?

 

Nods heaven and hell within, the higher and lower self ... that's X style logic

 

What's possibly even more amazing than the concise delivery of the wisdom itself is how many people remain completely oblivious to it. Nice to know that there's at least one other person out there that catches the drift.

Travis

 

nods... air brakes please... the book of rev's tells of the famous "whore of babylon" it doesnt take rocket science to see this in today's world. Go read it and find it for yourself. sorry scared to quote dont wanna get banned...

 

Some think they were grandfathered in.

 

LOL i still keep my life christo-centric, albeit i am a Heretic... i think the JC was a completly misunderstood fellow, just trying to make sense of his life and times like the rest of us I guess. I don't know my logic is simple... Jesus was born a Jew, but he certainly did not die a Jew, his followers did thier best to try to merge his teachings with jewish teachings, laws, and way of life. As a result i think christian has some truths in their teachings but certainly not all; and prolly even got worse later when the roman empire got invovled with it... i think the full picture is very muddy from years of political and god knows what else kind of corruption. I did my homework on Nicea, and some of the ideas that were deemed to be "HERESIES" at this infamous meeting are closer to what I believe is the truth... hence why i consider myself a Heretic

OOOoo and the GNOSTIC gospels are very Enlightening as well.

 

huh?? sorry im speccccciialll *drools on himself * i don't get it george, which way did he go george? which way did he go?

 

Don't blow a fuse over it. I apologize for being cryptic. The question you asked is a good one, that many Christians haven't thought through: What happened to Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, and all the other good, high-minded ethical "pagans" before Jesus came along? And all the Chinese, Indians, etc., before the missionaries got there to save them. One explantion I've heard from fundamentalists is that they were, as I said, "grandfathered in". You may know the expression "grandfather clause". If your grandfather had a certain status at the time a new law is passed, an exception to the law is granted. When areas are re-zoned, people who would be adversely impacted are sometimes granted "prior nonconforming use" exemptions. Etc. Some fundamentalists believe that the part in the Apostle's creed "He descended into hell" refers to Jesus' mission to liberate all of those souls and take them to Heaven. (Of course, that doesn't solve the problem that they were already roasting for centuries down there before He arrived. I don't believe that they burned in hell because: (1) there is no such place; and (2) it obviously wouldn't be fair.

 

and all of this to decide who gets the golden streets and who gets the lake of fire.

To me, all these laws and clauses are all too human. There is no way it works this way.