Was Communism worse than nazism???

freedom without socialism is brutality, socialism without freedom is tyranny.

in reality, communism hasnt killed anyone. neither has nazism. people practicing both ideologies have, but comparing the two in these terms is illogical. if you want to compare national socialism or fascism and marxist orthodoxy you can't reasonably argue that communism is "worse". collective systems are succesful all the time all over the world. just because they dont have coinciding states to make them "official" doesnt mean you can write off communism.

 

Aww man, you've gotta be kidding me...5 to 10?

I say again: nobody was standing in line for toilet paper in the Third Reich.
They tried to deport their "undesireables" before sending them to camps. Stalin just sent 'em to the gulags.

 

I hear ya bro. Lots of brainwashed sheeple here.

 

and as far as that poll, the most murderous ideology of all is not included as a choice...

 

i won't vote because it's none
they both been erased by u.s.a

 

But everyone just forgot to tell China?

 

Communism and nazism are one and the same as both were funded by the same few people and lead to the exact same outcomes of the death and enslavement of the many... except communism killed and enslaved far more people, and it still exists today and is still killing people on a daily basis.

Shows how uninformed people are in this forum, that they chose nazism when the stats clearly show that communism killed more people. It's not a surprise people think this, however, when you look at the communized public education system in America, which teaches that communism was the spontaneous uprising of the masses to offset the evil of capitalism. Those who know their history understand that this is not the case at all and that communism was funded into existence by the big banks of Wall Street and London, and was designed to be the controlled opposition to capitalism as part of the dialectic in conflict creation. The big banks control communism as much as they do capitalism, and communism is nothing more than a form of monopoly capitalism consolidated in the hands of an elite few, who then use their power to in turn enslave the many.

To the Elite at the top, they prefer communism to anything else because it gives them the most power to rule over the people. Because to the people who print the money, it's nothing more than about control over others. They don't care about wealth because they have all the wealth in the world. They simply care about power, and communism has always been their number 1 tool.

 

^^^Oops, I didn't realize that I had already responded to this back in January.

 

No they haven't. Communism is more alive than ever. It's merely showing itself in a more subtle way at the moment under the guise of liberalism, but it will soon return in full force under a world dictatorship.

 

Just like any form of government, the idea is always good but the people in charge end up corrupting it somehow because they become power-hungry. It's not the form of government that was murderous, it was the people who were in charge. Even a democracy or a republic can (and has, here in the US) turn out to be violent. It's all wonderful until you allow nuts to come into power. I mean, for instance, our current situation shows how corrupt the system is. Saddam may have caused harm to innocent people, either on his own or by hiring people to do these things for him, but at least he was elected. Bush stole his place in government both times and probably will find a way to steal it again if we don't stand up. What's worse is, the US helped Saddam to come into power and then realized it was a mistake and killed him. I kinda feel sorry for the guy (as if it's not too late!). We need to stand up this time, because just the fact that it's the government does not mean we need to sit down and take it. Too many people think "oh we have to listen because they make the law." NO, they don't. WE do! WE THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!

 

any form of idiological fanatacism is tyrannical. capitolism is no exception. tempering capitolism with western european/f.d.r. style socialism is the only thing that ever prevented it from being. the very thing ragun started throwing out wholesale with the bath water and the shruberies have completely screwed us, along with very nearly all of life on the planet, attempting to complete the job.

idologies are just lies governments tell their people and pay lip service to. neither economic intrests give a dam about them in actual practice, nor can politicians actually do so and remain in politics. social dynamics just don't work that way. and the natural environment damd sure don't.

i'm not talking about so called "communism" not "working", i'm talking about ALL idiologies as such, and all pretentions to them.

in reality NONE of them do. what we have instead are a bunch of lables arbitrarily applied that people are persuaded to become emotionally attatched to. (or in the case of the "communist" boogieman, attatched to fearing and being repelled by) and by becoming attatched to them become gullable to manipulation by economic intrests to their self serving, circular, conscousless ends which are ultimately hurting everyone and bennifiting, other then in a sense of symbolic pretentions, and then only the few at the expence of the many, no real living person, place or thing, at all.

yes there are no workers paradises. it's just that little green pieces of paper don't give a dam about genocide, the environment, or your personal well being either.

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stalin was a fucking prick but he was nothing compared to hitler. while i the long run theres no telling how many people the soviet union killed(or any other communist nation), and it very well may have been more than the nazis killed, but the nazis killed much more in a very short time line. had the nazis run been as long as russia's, the nazis would have killed much of the world.

 

How about Mao? He was the champion! Second is Stalin, then Hitler…
Tito is close runner up as he had just a small country to deal with…
Hey guys what about church? Were they not the first totalitarians?

 

communisum is just like hippys, great on paper, but can't work in the real world. Not everyone is willing to live like that.

J.C

 

oh! sorry, but you have it wrong J.C.
hippie life can work in the real world - but communism has an interesting doctrine - 'dictatue of the proleteriat'.
Note that the word 'dictature' is mantioned!
so - no civil rights, no personality, you should be governed by the crowd!
it is the same as the nazi ideology - if you are not a member of nation 'such and such', then...
besides - proleteriat, the majority, is living for today and not for tomorrow...
communisam is bound to disaster with many vasted lifes...
dictature of proleteriat - to be governed by stupid, frustrated and poor people!

they kill first - then they ask themselves 'why?'

 

Depends if your a right winged or left winged i suppose.
In my case i guess its better to chew off your right foot.

Communism and nazism are really only seperated by one step in the process of getting to their goal, but this process is a very big factor on which one is 'moral'.

True communism does not kill. Communism is equality and communally living amongst the entire population. You do NOT have a true authority or dictator in a pure communist society. Communism is somewhat of a product of anarchy. Atleast marxism is.

If you can picture a small commune, where every body mutually shares the work and helps eachother out, that is communism. Just on a smaller scale. Commune...ism there.

Nazism is pure fascism. They call themselves the nationalist/fascist socialist party. There purpose was to KILL OFF every race of humans except one. And then make a socialist/communist community within the pure race. So if you meet a nazi, their goal would be to live in a socialist community, consisting of one pure race.

People cannot confuse the true communism with the authoritarian communism we have existing today. The communism we have today is nothing but a dictator finding the easiest way to control the people with as little competition as possible. (As it appears.)

We have to stop this anti-soviet, 'commie' propaganda that was spread in during the war. Since then everybody has had the complete wrong idea.

But hey, we cant forget that we have more prisoners than any country. Even the past USSR had a lower prison population than we do today. Try that for authoritarian .

 

all "-isms" lead to decay and corruption. yet, I think that the try at communism (I say "try" because communism has never found any chance of true wide application, socialist states have existed which, according to the doctrine, should have lead to a pure and non-governed communist planet -a blissful utopia- in the future) what was I saying, yes, the try at communism was a scream of freedom from the people of the planet. as was many "revolutionary" movements in the past.

all the problems humankind today faces, hadtheir roots in a rather ancient false decision I came to understand and "feel". that is another subject's debate and I shall not go in detail here. yet I shall supply you some interesting knowledge: there has lived a man named Sheikh Bedreddin in the Ottoman Empire. He was both a scholar of Islam and Sufism and a philosopher of human life. It is so very interesting to read through the very few remanining works of him; he seems to have "discovered" communist ideology long before (hundreds of years I estimate) the word ever used on the planet. He and his followers have been hunted down by the Ottoman army and been massacred. There has been many philosophers and revolutionaries like him in here -Turkey or Anatolia whichever you wish to use- whose roads almost always ended at the hands of the executioner, like Bedreddin.

Marx's ideology and Lenin's (and his follower's) application were like that, a scream for freedom. Though I no longer EVER defend or carry the socialist, communist, Marxist-Leninist ideologies, and know that they were not the "ultimate" path; I 'acknowledge' the try as I do many many older, ancient ones + I shall not equate it with Nazism. I was an active member of the Communist Party of Turkey a few years back, now I try to avoid all "-isms", including "anarchism" (I think anarchy should never have that "-ism" within it, in the word and in the application)

I try to be enlightened, become a human, that's all. I try to return to my "inner self" to answer at least, the simple question of "who am I?" -which I felt I was not capable of answering back in my communist days- before ever trying to change the planet again.

love and hugs.

shine on.

 

Fascism is inherently bad, no matter how you put it into practice. Marxism, if properly done, could potentially work. Pure Marxism has never existed.

 

A country that kills its own citizens is less of a bother (less of an evil?) than one that invades other countries and kills their citizens.

The classic examples of fascism and communism differed in this regard.

 

the problem is; this topic discusses (or should discuss) the application, not the theory.

so, it was not the 'order' of socialism or the 'philosophy' of communism that killed the people, it was the application which was, basically, a dictatorship. a dictatorship will NEVER turn out good after all. be it a communist (put 'marxist' in here if it suits you) state of whose 'ideals' were the good of all at the core, a national socialist (insert 'fascist' or 'nazist') state of whose obvious 'ideology' was the slavery of all non-pure 'races' or be it an orwellian nightmare.

ps: I do not defend the marxist theory at all. I just wish to emphasize neither Marx nor the great majority of Socialists-Communists intended to oppress/kill all those millions of people.

and for me, INTENSION is the most important thing.


purge all "-isms"


much love to you..