War on Terror-why arn't we winning ?

That may very well be claimed to be the purpose by the perpetrators.

 

your fellow propagandists await you in the orange room.

 

your very welcome. Slainte!:2thumbsup:

 

In what way are you finding what I posted to be propaganda? Note that I was not making a judgement of rightfully or wrongfully in what I posted, simply stating a fact.

And I'm still awaiting an answer to my post #346, which was:

 

Says the guy with the ayn rand slogan.

rj said earlier:

roamy said earlier:

 

You've not answered the question at all.

Have you ever thought that EVEN YOU may at times post something worth repeating? I agree with what I quoted Ayn Rand having said.


Originally Posted by roamy:
The Irish Republican Army are not Terrorists.just fighters against the real terrorists.

Does that NOT equate to what I posted which she then claimed to be propaganda?

 

Individual:

I didn't see a post by you which was equivalent to roamy's original post.

She claimed your words as propaganda and I agree.

(bold mine)

The context of your question is loaded with an invalid assumption. You need to change the phrase "acts of terrorism" to "freedom fighting."

Did not your infallable founding fathers fight for their freedom from England? Were they terrorists or freedom fighters?

 

No , I'd say that the founding Fathers were not terrorists but Freedom Fighters because they had no alternative to armed resistance. Sure there was a British Parliment but no true Democracy as you or I would ubnderstand it.

Al Qaeda, Basque Separatists, both IRA & Loyalists, Tim Mcvei (?) in USA all of these organisations/Individuals, whether internal or externally based in relation to their target democracy ,are terrorists-they have democratic means available to them (though in truth of very varying degrees to be fair) but choose violence & murder .

Ironiclly, Al Queda may therefore have the truest claim to be freedom fighters as western democracy is not available to them & could be argued by them to be an aggresive enemy (re history of west involvement in middle east to date). However I'd argue that their willfull targeting of Innocent civilians in prosecuting their cause makes them terrorists.

 

Are you referring to my question "I'm curious if your feelings are founded in personal experience or a result of education related to historical events?"?

AND

Are you claiming that ALL

 

Then you too are misreading what I posted.

What is it you feel I'm assuming invalidly? Are you claiming there no such thing as an 'act of terrorism', and all events which we call acts of terrorism are actually 'freedom fighting'?

And I would imagine the British could have called their actions terrorism, and those fighting the British call them fighting for freedom.

Like I said, I'm not looking at this from the point of view of either side, but roamy seems to has a great dislike for persons who have ancestors from England and live in Ireland, and I'm still curious to know the source of that dislike and unrelated to my comments using the terms 'acts of terrorism' or 'freedom fighters', I posed the question "I'm curious if your feelings are founded in personal experience or a result of education related to historical events?"

I think it's obvious from her point of view all actions by her side are considered "freedom fighting" and those by the opposition "terrorism", and the opposite true from the point of view of her opposition. And I fail to see how that is being claimed to be propaganda.

 

give it up individual, they are only ever going to see things from their myopic viewpoint, like most extremist.

 

You speak as if you've answered all questions asked of you. You shouldn't have to think back too far to know you havn't done yourself what you're asking of another poster.

 

exactly!

 

i'd be interested to know what you consider the british soldiers who murdered an maimed my people on bloody sunday to be.would you call them terrorists? also do you think it was right that not one of those british soldiers were imprisoned by their own british goverment for murder?

 

As Ive said in a number of posts,since this thread began,theres was an abhorant & murderous act of savagery. Their actions as a group made them terrorists as indeed were their on site commanding officers. I agree that the soldiers & their officers should have stood trail & appropriate sentences imposed.

Now,my having said that,again, do you not accept that the IRAs actions (given that their cause was a just one nonetheless) in wilfully killing non-combatant unarmed civilians (of any nationality or creed) including those on the list of examples I posted to you,were the the actions of Terrorists?

 

why do you think they were not put on trial? and given appropriate sentences ?and what dose that tell you about the british goverment ?

 

Heres a reminder

 

I responded to your post question,please respond to mine.

 

i'll try again! why do you think they were not put on trial? and given appropriate sentences?and what dose that tell you about the british goverment ?

 

you are not stating facts!