VW's

what do you mean supported the war? VW was a state run factory, they didn't really have a choice. If building engines is all that matters then BMW, Opel, and Mercedes are also just as "evil" then. Vw was pretty much destroyed by allied bonbing during the war. The reason they are still in business is not because they supported the war, its because the english army took over and reconstructed the factory after the war.

 

Huh? What?!

Funny, I could have sworn that my point was that just because Hitler was in favor of something doesn't automatically make it wrong. Being a vegetarian isn't wrong (as long as you're not self-righteous about it!), being against smoking isn't wrong (ditto!) and being an admirer of Volkswagens isn't wrong (double ditto!). And the way I made my point, you'd have to have no sense of humor to take me too seriously, much less make some kind of connection between that and anti-semitism!

 

Or have forgotten about the large scale genocide, mass internment, con artist land bargaining & wholesale robbery that the US government performed upon the native people of this land? Thousands of people were killed by your government up until the turn of the last century. This all took place before Hitler.

 

Hey I would love to have a VW Van. I would live in there completely. I think they are amazing vans. But any car would be good right now.

 

Did they also drive VW's? God, those cars are evil!

 

And where exactly do you live?

 

None of this explains why hippies are following a trend. If hippies are supposed to be against our system of trends; then why are they making their own trend? If being a hippy became a mainstream trend would hippies change? Why embrace something (polluting old cars) that completely disagrees with your message? I've seen several hippies driving down the road in a smoking Beetle; I'm sure they would be the first to condemn anyone driving and SUV (given the chance. I'll bet the average SUV pollutes much less than the average 1966 Beetle. No catalytic converter, no computer to optimize fuel consumption, no smog pump, poor compression....the list goes on.

 

Hmmm I don't follow the trend. I don't like VW, not for any of the reasons that you have stated, but because everyone who I know who has owned one has had to do work to it, and I have no desire to work on cars. I'd rather buy a Honda or a Toyota. That is just me.

As a matter of fact, the people that I know that are in love with bugs are the biggest conservatives I have ever known.

Perhaps my circle of friends just defys logic. Or perhaps there was no logic to be found in this post.

 

Fair enough. I went to the website and searched under hitler was a veg and nothing came up, then I tried just Hitler and still nothing. You assert he was not a true vegetarian and I have no reason to doubt you, the man was rumored to be somewhat of a hypocrite.

Okay, Hitler was an advocate of vegetarianism and that doesn't mean vegetarianism is wrong.

 

Really? I thought he was a vegetarian too. Someone should really dispell that rumor!

 

Nobody has answered my question. Get to it, I don't have all day.

 

Q: Why the VWs?

it's an icon, it's cheap, retro and to many, still reliable.

In that sense, I dont think every hippy is an environmentalist. Even if the SUVs dont pollute (bullshit) they consume enormous amounts of fuel which with an effective rhetoric, can easily be related to wars, global warning shit and etc.

Q: Why do they follow a trend?

You cant avoid trends, even being out of the trends is a trend. You're a product of the society, with your efforts,flaws,thoughts and actions. Cant exlude yourself. If you do so, it will again be the society that will be determining what really you are (a hippy, a psycho, a madman -nietzsche?- a hero -Che-, a terrorist -Che?-)

So, you cant avoid thinking socio-centric. That is what makes the "hippy-trend" thing a paradox.

 

Actually several people have answered your question. Apparently you won't be satisfied until someone says, "You are so right hippy hunter, hippies are hypocrites (hippiecrites?) for driving Volkswagens because they're linked to Hitler! Let's all stop immediately!"

Get a life you self-righteous douchebag!

 

Wow I wish there were more people like you around. I enjoy having people that can't prove thier point get defensive.

 

Thats the most intelligent thing I've heard all day. I believe that all "outside" cultures whether it be Punk, Goth, ect... are all part of the same paredox. They must change as soon as society does or they run the risk of being the "norm". I like your refference to Nietzsche, I believe he made sense (I'm still at odds with a lot of his beliefs) but everyone else says he's crazy. I've concluded that I'm simply wording the question wrong. Thank you for the excellent post, we should talk about this more.

I didnt' say that SUV's didn't pollute, I said that they pollute less than A 1973 VW Van. Which is true.

 

so you see, we need all those "alternative" peope.
"Give me the anti-christ, give me the pagan, give me the hippy, give me the vegan"

otherwise the system becomes "secure". Security creates conformism, which to my humble theory eventually ends the evolution. It would create a "stable equlibrium" whereas we need to maintain the "unstable equilibrium". It is the flaws that keep us alive.

 

I definately agree, as far as society is concerned. Government on the other hand....

The problem is that we, in a Democracy, are pertetually hindered by hyperpluralism. Each of these groups is continually strenghtening thier tactics to counter the opposition. Eventually the distain for eachother will be so intense that absolutely nothing will ever be achieved. At some point we must find answers and we must work together. (This coming from a guy named "Hippy Hunter" -HA)

Despite the power held by individual interest groups (Hippies, Punks, ect.) the government will, and always has been, run by the few individuals whose safety is ensured through and extensive system of interlocking directorates. So in essence; the small group doesn't matter nearly as much as I would like them to and they will be making my life harder to live.

Furthermore, while all of these factions are battling for ultimate supremecy (policy making) they are voiding each other out. As one comes into power it discards what the previous accomplished. This is clearly seen in our current and previous Presidential adminstrations. It's through this proccess that the very interest groups making the policy are alienating themselves. At any given time only a small fraction of the population is actually being represented. Thus: Democracy is defeated by itself.