Vaccinations.

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by lode, Jun 1, 2009.

  1. Hiptastic

    Hiptastic Unhedged

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    OK. Who started it? Quote something. Now.
     
  2. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    one should also note that most of the statistics that are cited about this rise in autism come from organizations like "autism speaks" who are run with a CLEAR agenda (see wrongplanet.com for some criticism of said organization by adults with autism spectrum disorders)

    the evidence of mercury COMPOUNDS being involved in autism is thin, at best.

    but, really, think about it

    these are mercury COMPOUNDS, compounds with mercury in them, there are lots of compounds with VERY dangerous elements in them that are perfectly fine for you

    and there are lots of compounds, with incredibly benign components (cough C4, strychnine) that will not end well for you.

    and, if autism were caused by mercury, and mercury compounds, nevada would have the highest rate of autism in the country.


    I'm going to wait for that to sink in because I don't think any of you have 18th century mining backgrounds, but, seriously, lotta mercury here. lotta ways for mercury to get into young nevadans systems.
     
  3. lode

    lode Banned

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    I am not going to deny their can be side affects and complications from vaccinations.

    There can be. And there are certain immune conditions in which some should never be vaccinated.

    Furthermore, it is safe and healthy to look into reliable research on the matter, and to maintain a healthy level of skepticism.
     
  4. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    but that is ELEMENTAL mercury

    not mercury bound in a compound

    how about this

    you go and order fifty pounds of, mercury bromide

    and by the end of the week using only compounds that exist in the human bloodstream you bring me back quicksilver.
     
  5. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    So do you have a degree in chemistry? Otherwise you're just talking shit.
     
  6. lode

    lode Banned

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    Well yeah, I did mention earlier... I agree that Autism is overdiagnosed and misdiagnosed.

    The data I posted was from the US department of education, which is collected by each state and submitted to the OSEP.
     
  7. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    How about this:

    Go fuck yourself.
     
  8. european

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    Does Rat always go to asking for degrees when pressed ?

    Cause that type of posting just gets fliped back. and being somewhat new here id like to know if its worth reading this posters stuff ever again.
     
  9. lode

    lode Banned

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    No he isn't. He's pointing out the very clear difference between a compound and an element, which your obscuring by calling thiomersal mercury.

    You don't hear about the dangers of kids eating chlorine because they are putting salt on their fries.
     
  10. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    I think you are talking shit ratty, can you tell us anything useful about thioermosol and it's breakdown in the human bloodstream? because everyone who actually knows anything about it (i.e. people who aren't high school teachers saying that the LHC will destroy the world) says it's fine.

    I think you just want to believe the autism speaks mercury vaccination shit because it fits with your view of the world, not because you've actually done research, but because you are comfortable believing it.

    so either get some research (as you are, again, making the absurd claim, so, again, the burden of proof is on you) or just move on.

    getting sick of you pretending you know more than everyone else because you want to be special.

    And you can't even back up claims you make here about what is going on in this very thread, so how can I assign ANY credibility to any claim you make about biochemistry?
     
  11. Hiptastic

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    Rat does not answer questions. He is has evolved beyond the question dialectic (see post #87).
     
  12. shaggie

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  13. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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  14. lode

    lode Banned

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    And, without taking this into a debate about Rat's medical beliefs.

    You have stated that HIV doesn't cause AIDS, but AZT and other antivirals.

    These are the kinds of people who are trying to convince you not to vaccinate your children.

    Either nuts.

    Or people selling snake oil.

    Kevin Trudeau eh?
     
  15. Dave_techie

    Dave_techie I call Sheniangans

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    Trudeau was convicted of fraud and larceny in the early 1990s.[2] The FTC has sued him repeatedly. A court order currently restricts his ability to promote and sell any product or service; however, he is permitted to promote books and other publications due to free-speech protection under the First Amendment as long as they are not used to promote or sell products or services and do not contain misrepresentations.[3][4] On November 19, 2007, a court found Trudeau in contempt of that court order for making what they consider deceptive claims about his book The Weight Loss Cure "They" Don't Want You to Know About.[5][6] In August 2008, he was fined more than $5 million [7] and banned from infomercials for three years for continuing to make what they claim are fraudulent claims pertaining to the book. The amount of the money damages was later increased to $37 million.[8]


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau
     
  16. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    But that's YOU in like every thread. You think you're an expert on chemistry, military aviation, computers, etc. You're none of these. So even if what you're saying is true, you're still the pot calling the kettle black.
     
  17. HawaiianEye

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    Since I am certainly no expert in this,I don't know what to think anymore regarding this topic.But one thing is certain,it just shows how much mis-information is out there coming from all sides.All I know is they used to give far less vaccines than they do now,and most everyone managed fine.So again I'm in favor of vaccines,against over-vaccinations.
     
  18. european

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    I'm guessing Oprah loves him. (Kevin Trudeau)
     
  19. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Kevin Trudeau is a joke. Who said anything about him?
     
  20. lode

    lode Banned

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    That's where that whole list of 'facts' you posted were collected and cherry picked and misrepresented by?
     
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