US National Parks promoting "Creation Science"!

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by EllisDTripp, Oct 20, 2004.

  1. swimminthefish

    swimminthefish Member

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    As soon as one decides there is no God he must begin to
    search out his existence, and this is what science has done.
    There was no sudden Bing-Bang/Evolution discovery per se,
    they are simply ideas to explain our universe in the absence of
    a God. To even begin to interpret the evidence, one must first
    decide wether they believe in a Deity or not. That is the difference
    between Creation science and Mainstream science; simply different
    interpretations of the same evidence.
    To say that Creation science rides on the coat tails of the mainstream
    movements is quite accurate. By why is that? Do you think that
    they see one dollar of government funding? I mean, as demonstrated
    in the forum, the masses rise up if a religious book is even allowed
    to be sold-Alas, if only the FCC was as skilled as stopping the spread of ideas as they are at censoring vulgarity- Anyway, Creationists use mainstream findings, critique them and interpret them according to the starting point.
    They use the same evidence, quite successfully, to prove their point.
    The majority of America immediately discredits creationism by labeling it
    as immature superstition, arcane myths, in short, religion. I come
    from the question in the opposite direction,and perhaps, that is how
    I have arrived where I am today. The amazing complexity of our
    world mocks the spontaneous development of intelligent life. And what
    about the law of entropy, how do things simply begin to go the
    opposite direction and begin to develop.
    I question your assertion that the geological record shows no mass flood,
    is that from textbooks, the internet, or you have never come
    across it so it does not exist.
    To say that people do not have a desire to believe in evolution
    seems illogical. With evolution comes a vindication for man; we are here without purpose or responsibility; the answers truly are in ourselves, morality becomes relative, in essence, one is free to live the way they choose. In constrast you seem to indicate that the concepts of hell and heaven attract
    believers. As far as heaven goes, unless you live in a 3rd world country,
    life is good and heaven thus unnecessary as a crutch and in regards to hell,
    eternal damnation, well, eternal torment that does not exactly give me any comfort.
    It is true that some findings pose disconcerting questions to
    creationists. A large majority of Christian scientist simply allow
    the science and religion to coincide through Theistic Evolution. I do
    completely agree that religion in a labratory has a nasty way of cheapening
    spirituality. But on the same token if one ignores the world around them
    that simpy shows that they are scared of what they will find.
    I do not want to blindly toss ideas at a brick wall and waste my time,
    nor do I want to act as that brick wall. I ask you to direct me to some
    enlightening resources, particular in terms of geology.

    Take Care
     
  2. shaggie

    shaggie Senior Member

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  4. Zanman

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    Well Swimminthe fish I don't know much about either Creation science or geology.

    But it is hard to believe that the Earth is only a few thousand years old, and I understand Creation science claims that.
    That is a hard one to defend I would have thought, given that there is HUGE opposition in the scientific community to that idea. And not just from geologists but physicists, astronomers, anthropologists ... I mean the list is long.

    My point is that since this book is for SALE I don't have a problem with it. They could sell porn magazines for all I care, if people want to spend their money on whatever that's just fine, there shouldn't be any censorship to ideas, no matter how whacky they may appear to others.
     
  5. Zanman

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    I read through this link. He is a Christian and obviously knows what he is talking about.
    You have to wonder how he can reconcile Christianity and the Bible, with science, and reading between the lines it is almost as if he separates the two selectively.

    In some of your responses to my Big Bang question it almost appears as if all that/this happens automatically. I would have thought scientists could hardly be Christians, or even religious at all ...
     
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  7. swimminthefish

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    Great article. He made an excellent point by
    drawing a comparison to the dispute over
    the rotation of the earth and the modern
    conflict over radio-carbon dating. I still can't
    stomach evolution though,


    Thanks
     
  8. fat_tony

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    This one still going? All I can say is that ignorance wont save 'em. If ignorance saved people then we'd be immortal anyway.
     
  9. Zanman

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    LOL

    I heard that God put the dinosaurs here to test the faith of Creationists.
     
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