United States Federal Government Shut-Down

Has it really come to voting to have your bills paid for you?

 

Do really not see the flaw in that? Two wolves and a rabbit voting on what is going to be for dinner....

 

And yet, in certain cases, more than a simple majority is needed in certain votes. A two thirds majority can be required.

I would include violence if they believe that strongly. Unconstitutional acts? Depends I suppose. If the Constitution itself is the problem then, yes, I suppose so.

That isn't what they were threatening, Meagain. They were refusing the increase the debt limit (and rightly so I think). If they were pushing to not actually pay the debts due you would have a point. In politics and in law, wording is everything.

That being said, I think the fight being waged now is far bigger than needing to pay our bills, even if that means going further in debt to do so. At the rate we are spending and going even further into debt our nation's survival is being threatened more and more. Does the GOP have all the answers? No, but I don't think what Obama and his ilk want is beneficial to this country at all. Less than a decade ago he, Pelosi and Reid were all against what they are now trying to sell to the American public, and we are eating it up like sheep. I don't think there is anything we can do to stop what is coming though. Its going to be painful.

Can't wait to see how absurd this fight gets in a few months time.

 

Yeah I feel sorry for you rabbits. :smilielol5:

 

Gonna suck when that shoe is on the other foot, huh?

 

Ah. Observant.

We're kinda being served the same kool-aid from the republican party that they were fighting against not so long ago as well, ya think?
If one boils down many of these disagreements to it's constituent parts, the biggest diff between the left and right side of the aisles of the color of the kool they offer up.

 

I feel bad for Obama supporters. It can't be easy to be so ignorant, and, argumentative all at once.



I laugh that they even have the nerve to blame Bush, while totally backing Obama, with the exact some policies..

 

But we could have had the debt ceiling raised by propaganda swindling for the bond market at this time rather than another. Woo..ooh!!!

 

No doubt. It is all just further proof neither party is willing to carry out the change this country needs, let alone even having the ability to do so even if they wanted to. I am not even sure this nation is worth saving anymore.

 

Who is they? Who on this message board are you referring to when you say 'Obama supporters' and 'they'?

 

Seriously? "They" are the fore-stated "Obama Supporters." Even you said it..

 

I know, but I'm wondering who on this board you classify as Obama supporters?

 

Actually, the so called 'shut-down' was not an attempt to keep from raising the debt ceiling, but instead only an attempt to reduce the amount it will have to be raised for FY2014, and all future fiscal years.

Even during a so called 'shut-down' the government incoming revenue flow continues and the debts are paid. At the very worst, other spending would have had to be prioritized and reduced. Perhaps even some of the non-essential personnel would have to be let go permanently.

 

Obama supporters in the states are the bureaucratic workers who count on their long term jobs for survival. Who they vote for is another matter.:afro:

 

I think the answer to that question can be found in the Political Polls sub forum.

 

everyone that doesn't agree with his dystopian views. it's the old "you're either for me or against me" stance which means his "opponent" can never win.

it's like saying to STP "hey man, you're an alcoholic" he says "no i'm not". then i say "denial is the first sign you're an alcoholic". or in this case, you either agree with me or your an Obama supporter.

what worries me more than someones political leanings is an inability to think inbetween extremes. breaking down every issue to an either/or proposition turns said issue into an adversarial one instead of creating dialogue.

 

So what they did, then, wasn't a violation of the 14th, as you originally claimed?

Legislation would have been a no go; we're talking about the minority here, remember? Hostage? Here we go with again inflammatory rhetoric that serves no purpose but to appeal to emotion instead of logic. What we saw was politics and quid pro quo. Both sides engage in it every single day on the hill.

 

There is a difference between paying your bills and adding more spending to the bills you already owe.