UFOs: Inteligent beings or Demons from Hell?

campbell,

In regard to 2 Thessalonians chapter 2, it says in verse 9 quote:

"The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of satan, displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs, and wonders"

How typical is this of religion?

To tell you: "Any 'miracles, signs, and wonders' that are not products of this doctrine are fake, and come from 'the evil one'. "

Should all religions that do not agree (because each religion is a unique cultural creation) be telling each other this?

Nobody is right if everybody is wrong...

 

-Don't blame religion for the prophecies of the Bible. The organized Christian faith did not get started until about 200 years after the Bible was written. And the Bible can't be faulted for accurate prophecies.

The Bible predicts that a man of sin will come in the last days and will be able to call fire down from heaven in the sight of men. He will claim that he is God and he will demand that all people worship him. Those who refuse will be put to death. Those who worship him will receive a mark in their right hand or forhead. Without the mark you will not be able to buy or sell. According to the Bible this will take place after the Jews have returned back to Israel and are in pocession of Jerusalem.


-The only thing unique about religions is that one faith might be telling the true while all the rest are lying. You cannot have an honest faith filled with blantant contradictions. Since the Old and New Testiment fortells future events before they happen, I tend to believe something that is verifiably true.

 

Yea, and the bible wasn't written for 200 years after Jesus supposedly resurrected.

So this isn't about aliens then? If it is a 'man of sin' that will come?

Nobody is right if everybody is wrong...
And with religion, all of them are wrong according to each other.

Religion was created as humans civilized- as we banded together and thus conquered the game of survival, to the point that we were able to sit around comfortably and ponder the concept of god. Each unique religion is simply the product of a unique culture. Religion happened throughout the world around, generally, the same time. Happened on every continent inhabitable by humans.

Do you really believe that god is going to discriminate with his 'truth' and only give his word to one group of people while the rest are inherently in the dark, doomed to hell?

So many religions exist because human spirituality can be accessed in a multitude of ways. Are the feelings of spirituality that non-Christian religions conjure actually counterfeit feelings?

Blatant contradictions- like that 'god so loved the world that he gave his only son' but only happened to tell a certain group of people in a certain area of land in a short period of time?
And on top of that, it is the doctrine you subscribe to and not the quality of your character that determines your eternal fate?

Or that, yea, the modern bible has left out tons of scripture but, dont worry, its still perfect. Were the excluded scriptures in error but, we can trust that those which compile the bible today are not?

Example please.

 

campbel- you mention teh evil one who would put a mark on teh hand of the followers...no one can buy or sell...its of my opinion that the evil one is rearing its head, this is somthing me and my fellow "conspiracy theorists" have been warning about for years. RFID chips are making their way into the public...in a few years electronic money will take over and no one can purchase or sell anything with out a chip...the mark of the beast if you will.

their introducing them slowly at the moment to give people time to accept it. first with cards...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3659355.stm

there is already a bus touring the country implanting those with the mark...soon this will be a manditory...
http://www.adsx.com/prodservpart/verichip.html

do a quick google on RFID chips and see what you find...your government / the illuminati is very serious about this.

http://www.backfire.dk/EMPIRENORTH/newsite/products_en001.htm
scary huh??


though you and i have our squabbles about teh specifics and christianity and whatnot...we're fighting on the same side. take care of yourself brother....we're in for quite a ride these last few years.

 

mother nature's son,


"Yea, and the bible wasn't written for 200 years after Jesus supposedly resurrected."

-No the Bible was completed about 100 A.D. and possible before.

"So this isn't about aliens then? If it is a 'man of sin' that will come?"

-The man of sin is the Antichrist. The Antichrist will have authority over the UFOs. UFOs are a big part of the end times and they will have a lot to do with what the Bible describes as the great deception(I just talked about this a couple of posts ago).

"Nobody is right if everybody is wrong...
And with religion, all of them are wrong according to each other."

"Religion was created as humans civilized- as we banded together and thus conquered the game of survival, to the point that we were able to sit around comfortably and ponder the concept of god. Each unique religion is simply the product of a unique culture. Religion happened throughout the world around, generally, the same time. Happened on every continent inhabitable by humans."

-There is one ancient belief that rises above the others. It is a belief that fortells the future before it happens. None of the other religion's text does this. That ancient belief can be found in the Old and New Testiments.

"Do you really believe that god is going to discriminate with his 'truth' and only give his word to one group of people while the rest are inherently in the dark, doomed to hell?"

-From the beginning God told man to spread his word the Bible to all people. That is why every culture on earth has recorded the story of the world wide flood. When the Spanish landed in South America they began to teach the Indians the story of Noah's flood. The Indians answered back-We know that story.

"So many religions exist because human spirituality can be accessed in a multitude of ways. Are the feelings of spirituality that non-Christian religions conjure actually counterfeit feelings?"

-When it comes to faith, feelings should have little to do with what you believe. Feelings are usually associated with blind faith. Blind faith is dangerous. Truth faith should be based on verifiable and inrefutable knowledge.

"Blatant contradictions- like that 'god so loved the world that he gave his only son' but only happened to tell a certain group of people in a certain area of land in a short period of time?
And on top of that, it is the doctrine you subscribe to and not the quality of your character that determines your eternal fate?"

-If it is your character that determines your eternal fate then Hitler and Stalin must be in heaven today because they felt that they were doing the right thing. And millions of people supported their efforts. Would you agree with that statement?

"Or that, yea, the modern bible has left out tons of scripture but, dont worry, its still perfect. Were the excluded scriptures in error but, we can trust that those which compile the bible today are not?"

-The modern Bible's are not perfect and there are people today who are trying to pervert them even more. But thankfully we have the Dead Sea scrolls that were untouched for 2000 years and are older Bibles have remained in tacked.

 

loverofthewoods,

"though you and i have our squabbles about teh specifics and christianity and whatnot...we're fighting on the same side. take care of yourself brother....we're in for quite a ride these last few years."

-If you are a born again Christian, we are on the same side. As far as the chip goes, Christians have know about this long before that technology existed. It is recorded in the Bible that at the time of the end followers of a very evil man will be required to have a mark in their right hand or forehead. It also says, that they will clone this man and if you have this mark you will be a worshipper of his clone. It also states that the clone will be located in a rebuilt Jewish temple that sits on Mount Mariah. The Jews are not in Israel by accident.

 

Woooohoooo! Do I get to be an enemy of the born-againers??? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!

 

Actually aliens appear to support all world religions, except Christianity. Aliens are much more intelligent, they should be. They have been around since the beginning. And the reasons aliens are upset with Christ, is because they know who He is.

 

Extra dimensional, extra terrestrial? Who knows? I find them a fascinating aspect of our culture, and what is often intriguing (also good for a spook) is the amount of involvement and seriousness our government has given to UFO's.

At any rate, considering that there is no "Hell" as some tangible ethereal magical place where all evil is born aside from the birth canal of the imagination, I'd say they're intelligent beings.

 

if anyone is "aliens" for sure, we are, we are the most intelligent species on earth that we know of. so for now we are the aliens.

 

Campbell, this has to be your greatest statement ever...

 

i've heard this theory before but the fact is it doesn't square with a christian worldview and what scripture says. demons(fallen angels) found in scripture are spirits and are non-corporeal. As far as aliens, the Bible neither supports or refutes their existence. From a christian worldview, if there is indeed life on other planets, God created it and it is subject to him. There is however little substantial evidence for their existence, as far as i can see anyway.

 

Thats what i hate about christians, if it goes against their bible, then its either of the devil(i.e. demons,satan exc.) or it is faith. Ignorance is stupid, believe in yourself and put no god before you, you are all you've got.

 

I don't know about UFO's but I believe in zombies...

how else do you explain this thread coming back from the dead?!

 

Ironically, the whole belief in demons/the devil is itself non-biblical.

Up unitil the Babylonian captivity (exile) the bible makes no mention of any supernatural force for evil. Everything that happens (good or evil) is attributed to either God or man.

This changed slightly in the books written after the captivity;

In II Samuel 24:1 (written before the captivity) it says "And again the anger of the Lord was kiindled against Isreal, and he incited David against them and said to him 'Go number Isreal and Judah'".*

But in I Chronicles 21:1, a post-exile version of the same story, it says "Then Satan stood up against Isreal and provoked David to number Isreal".

Point is, before the Captivity, and the Hebrews exposure to Zorastrianism with it's dualistic vision of the supernatural realm, there's no mention anywhere in the bible of any rival spiritual forces at work in the universe--no devil, no fallen angels, no demons--and certainly nothing like any ongoing spritual war between the forces of good and evil.

The only mention of Satan (book of Job) depicts him as a member of God's court (not a "fallen angel") who has to ask God's permissiion before he does anything concerning man.

*(note: at least one version, The New world Translation, rewords this to say "one incited David..." which would somewhat resolve the situation, but it still makes no mention of "Satan".)

 

Thoughts regarding UFO's and aliens:


With scientific knowledge-- astronomical and physical--of the universe being what it is, it stands to reason that beings capable of traversing interstellar space would fall into one of these categories:

-they are functioning on the plane of the subtle body, where the same physical laws that affect gross matter don't apply.

-if human beings or similar, in order to cooperate for the vast endeavor, economic and otherwise, that would be required to make this type of travel a reality, they would have to have reached a phase in their overall social development where such lower qualities as territorialism, hugely disproportionate personal greed and selfishness, racism, etc., had been almost universally transcended. These lower qualities are generally eradicated as the result of the development of spiritual insight.

In either case, yes, they would need to be much more intelligent than we are, or use a larger portion of their brains than we do.

None of these possibilities suggests creatures with evil, generally ungodly, and specifically anti-Christ intent...rather, they suggest the opposite.

 

How is it that the whole belief in demons/the devil is non-biblical when both are clearly found in the bible. even with the points you are making i don't understand how this makes them "unbiblical" You don't think that the serpent talked about in Genesis is Satan? what's your interperation of the prophecy in Genesis ch 3:14-15 in light of the rest of the bible? Also, where does Scripture attribute evil to God?

The two scriptures you brought up (samuel and chronicles) i don't think are a contradiction. they're complementary. As it's seen in the book of Job and Jud 9:23 and elsewhere, God can use Satan and evil spirits as well as men to accomplish what he wants and to pass judgement. So, he could have commissioned Satan to do this.

 

Wow this is an old school post... and a Christian... yes I said it an actual Christian ressurected it.... Thanks man!

 

As a child a man had telepathy with me. He told me that he was from another planet and that there were a million of his kind here. That they were here to help us.

I have seen UFO's in the 70's that were not hallucinations.

Perhaps there are more than one kind of alien but if they exist as I believe perhaps some of them are benevolent like angels.

Some believe that when Jesus resurrected himself and walked again that he left in what was called, "a cloud from heaven" and this flying thing had angels in it. As they rose Jesus said, "as you see me go so shall I return".

I take this to mean it is possible that the return of Christ might be the aliens coming to take over the corrupt war making gov'ts of this world as promised.

Perhaps this is real and easier to believe than supernatural shit.

I guess you may think me crazy. I am serious though. BOG

 

The Devil is non Biblical? You most of forgot the story of Adam and Eve in the garden. The story is found in the first Book of the Bible. It speaks of the Serpent tempting Eve in the Garden. The Serpent is the Devil.