Trump supporters do you like this tax bill?

Who are "the Democrats"? I'm a Democrat, and you didn't hear me say that. So what specific Democrats made that statement, and what exactly did they say? Did "the Democrats" say that all of the poor would pay more? When was "the last time you tuned in", and who did you "tune in" with? As mentioned, the scenario you presented about your alleged mother, was a case of someone with no taxable income, since her entire income allegedly came from Social Security.

 

You used the term Stupidity. I simply wholehearted agreed with you. I said, and I'm confident you can look at any of my post you like, that I am in favor if a Nationalized healthcare system. However ObamaCare will not be able to provide it as it will bankrupt us. At which point I believe it was you, that stated I must not have taken statistics. It isn't about statistics, it's is about economics. I didn't take that as an insult, I took it as simple stupidity. However I didn't say such.

I at no time said I was a Trump supporter either. I am however more opposed to the process the Democrats use to remedy our countries problems.

As much as I dislike Trump, I applaud we didn't have any more liberalization of our nation's poblems as result of his election. Personally I hope he doesn't make it through a 4 year term. We at least get a reset.

 

What " countries" is that? It's hard to take seriously your concern about bankrupting the U.S, when at the same time you defend a tax act that will add over $1 trillion to the deficit.

 

My friend was in the NAVY and was stationed in Japan for eight years. He married a Japanese woman. His sons are half American and Half Japanese. They say exactly what you said about Japan's health care law. It works great. No one is turned away.

 

Compared to the deficit of whom did you wish to compare? While I don't like any more deficit added, no recent administration has been able to not add to it. Our credit rating under Obama's regime was downgraded for the first time in history. Don't like it one bit. But my government going bankrupt isn't the same as me or you or corporations going bankrupt.

I hate that it adds to a deficit. I prefer it not take us down with them.

I will hope that we see growth like the Republicans state. I won't believe the Democrats just because they say it will be so. I gave the Dems 8 years and was disappointed. I don't trust any of them but all l know is the last 12 months have been better for me and many others than the previous 8 years were. Fluke or not, temporary or not, I can't deny what I see in my benefits, my bank account and the growth or apparent interest corporations seem to be taking in what's going on currently.

 

We have a much larger population, higher healthcare cost and a different work ethic than Japan. Apples and Oranges unfortunately.

 

You missed his point by so far, it's almost comical

 

Good information. Yes, I think Japan's system is much more humane and proves that healthcare doesn't need to be profit driven to work efficiently. Plus, it doesn't fine people for not having insurance so provides more liberty.

 

I have no idea what you're talking about and I dont think that was me. I'm not in favor of Obamacare and have never really wasted any time defending it because it further entrenches the US in a for profit system. I will defend certain provisions in it but that's it.

Maybe figure out who actually said that to you and imply they're stupid instead?

Also you realize how contradictory it is to do the whole 50% shtick and also be in favor of single payer healthcare, yes? Your beliefs arent that far off from your sister's, bro.

 

As I recall, President Clinton gave Bush Jr a balanced budget and no deficit.

 

I said it might have been you. I wasn't inclined to pour through all the postings to find out. Im still not. I was however agreeing with your stupidity observations. Whole heartedly.

I am far apart from my sister. While I love her, she fails to recognize her history. Like most liberals do. In her case, her husband made a FORTUNE as a Nuero-surgeon. And did so as a Republican. She enjoyed his rise and reaps those benefits. Then he changed parties and has been bitching ever since. I remind him that he supported for profit medicine and Republican tax shelters to amass his nice retirement.

It's very easy when you reach his level of comfort to tell everyone how they should think in idealistic terms. They claim to care for all the less fortunate and how they deserve help. How the poor immigrants are being disrespected by Trump. I suggest that he start paperwork to legally sponsor them. Provide them shelter in their very adequate house with lots of extra rooms. House them, feed them, educate them. Show his commitment to his ideals with his own resources. He declines that notion.

He also supported absolving all the outstanding student loans and providing free college education. And providing affordable housing for lower income and free housing for the homeless. Sounds wonderful. Until you figure out who will pay for it. Then he becomes a Republican again. As long as it doesn't cost him, he is fine with it.

I suggested he join Warren Buffet, Bill Gates etc and give away his assets to worthy social cause. He somehow losses interest at that point.

Can't imagine why.

If a Nationalized healthcare program cost me 50% of my income, I am NOT in favor of it.

Extracting money from those that have it, to give it to those that don't have it, will only discourage those that have it and encourage those that don't. Not rocket science.

I will however agree with one point. Until we take the notion of profit out of our healthcare system, we will never be able to make it a manageable problem.

Good luck with that. I'll love you for having that Utopian ideal. Like I love my sister.

 

Absolutely did. He also left with Bush a gutted military to fight Terrorism with. He accomplished that worthwhile balanced budget by taking away from other areas. I don't fault him for making those decisions. It unfortunately came at a heavy price later.

 

Yes, indeed.https://www.uni-trier.de/fileadmin/fb4/prof/VWL/APO/4006ws0203/trans13-1.pdf Some worried that no deficit could bring its own problems, but G.W. Bush and the Republicans took care of that quickly. It wasn't a lack of military funding that made us vulnerable to terrorism, but a lack of smarts. The mind boggling stupidity and squandering of assets in first letting Bin Laden slip away in Afghanistan and second getting bogged down in the money pit of the Iraq war in pursuit of Neocon ideology was not a stroke of genius.

 

I'm not remotely an idealist, but I know mixed economies work right here in the real world. And I know America is the only first world nation that hasnt implemented single payer healthcare. Clearly it works. Our system is the one that isnt working.

You're using some pretty typical Republican talking points here, I'm not interested in talking points

 

If you call cutting Non-needed Military Spending a heavy price, what would you call it when Trump and Pence put another twenty million old and disabled Americans out on the sidewalk to freeze, to die of starvation?

 

Don't forget that Reagan funded and trained Bin Laden's Al Qaeda in the eighties to fight the Russians in Afghanistan. After 911, the Taliban said they would turn hin over to the USA, if the USA would provide proof for them. Bush refused to give them the proof of Bin Laden's involvement. Instead, he just invaded Afghanistan to give us a 17 year war. Bus also made up stories (fake News) about Iraq's involvement in 911, like stories about Mohamad Atta meeting Iraqis in Prague, and mobile chemical labs that were really balloon vendor rigs, and Nukes that were deployable in 45 minutes flat, and other BS. The trillions spent on the bogus war on terror needs to come out of the Republican budget agenda is what I say!

 

Show me an ObamaCare model that works instead of using Dem talking points about how it should be working.

I agree with you, we are the only industrialized nation that doesn't have a universal healthcare system. ObamaCare won't be sustainable. Where Trump screwed up was by dropping the Mandate requirement. That will now be fodder for the Democrats to say it was the Republicans that killed it. Instead he should have left it untouched. He is doing nothing more than re-arranging the deck chairs on the sinking Titanic. He should have done nothing so that it can sink completely at the hands of those that designed it.

Now he has no replacement plan and yes it will cost us even more to watch it fail.

 

Huh?

When have I presented any talking points about Obama care? Didnt I just say, in a post to you and to which you replied, that i've never been a fan of Obamacare

Lol