Topic: Anti-Christians.

the bible tells us to commune with believers for support of one another. this is what i prefer to do. there's nothing that says i have to attend church on the sabbath to commune with god, either. i have yet to find a single church not bogged down with rules and regulations that make no sense to me. people end up following the rules of a church instead of the rules of god. you may be willing to associate yourself with a people who find regulations written by men (with good intentions? perhaps) but i have little faith in men.

 

Explain to me the rules that every church has that keep you from going there. Is it the "no running in hallways"? Perhaps it's the "no food allowed past this sign". Please, share with me these rules that every church has around you that keeps you from going.

 

It is tuff to find a good church today. There are many corrupt churches. Wether it be with money, sex or lies good churches are scarce. I have attended numerous churches in my 19 years which is not saying much but the majority of them where not good. Most of what I have learned about the Bible and God is from my own research and my father. I have learned very little from church although I must say that the church I attend now is the best church I have ever been too. It is hard to put up an argument for going to church because lots churches and the people in the churches are so screwed up and do not even know what they believe. Which can mainly be the fault of poor preaching. I would still urged a person to go to church although there may be corruption in some churches; there is corruption everywhere. Not even Christians are perfect. You must search for the best church and I assure you there will be people there that trully love the Lord. They will help you grow closer to Christ.


I have put this own the forum before but here is what my dad wrote about churches.


"As the future of the human race progresses, we are approaching the time of the ultimate confrontation. The author of good and the embodiment of evil will meet to do battle at a place called Armageddon. As that final hour approaches, many Christians are asleep at the switch. Instead of warning the world of God's impending and inescapable judgement, many priests and ministers are preaching a "watered downed" gospel and turning their sanctuaries into social classrooms. They preach nothing but "feel good" messages. They spoon feed their congregation and actively resist any talk of Christ's return. These "feel good" churches are the leading cause of the "dumbing down" of the American Christian. The conflict in the Middle East, between Israel and its neighbors, is the beginning of the end of time as we know it. Yet, from so many pulpits across America, we hear nothing but silence, which has left large numbers of church attenders and young people clueless. If the church cannot find its voice and warn the world of God's Return, then who will? The signs of His coming are everywhere. Now is the time for all Christian churches to stand up, present the evidence of the coming of our Christ, and give a lost world a chance to be saved from the wrath of God--which will surely come."

 

well, all due respect to jozak, but my first church, being catholic had some shit that got under my skin, like papal infallibility, sunday sabbaths, and first communion rules.

the same went for my second church, the anglicans. basically catholic but without the pope.

the next was baptist. man, the people there were so unbelievable judgemental about homosexuals and sins, but had NO PROBLEM whatsoever making other people work on the sabbath (the after church lunch at denny's.) or violating other laws of god as long as they went on sundays.

then there was the SDA's. i rather enjoyed some of their practicl approaches to the studying of the OT and it's laws, but that whole vegan/vegetarian thing kinda wore on one after a while, as well as the rigid set of rules set down by their founders. there was also way to much emphasis placed ontheir personal prophetess. some interesting reading, and the bible clearly states that the gift of prophecy lives, but i'd rather read the bible first.

even the non-denom's people were making me crazy. hypocrites and liars leading the church. services and music that had no appeal or soul. people who also held no appeal for me. these are NOT my people. my people are thinkers, questioners, READERS, philosophers. not packs of people who don't bother to actually discuss the gospel or the bible in sunday schools.

i've sought, and i haven't found. what i HAVE found is peace in studying my bible. i ask a question, i get my answer. i have my like-minded friends and acquaintances who can disagree with me on a point in doctrine without losing their heads or think i'm "un-christian" or "un-patriotic" (i don't even know HOW that comes into the conversation, but it invariably does).

 

That's fine KC, if you disagree with something, I don't care, you are intelligent enough and respectfull enough of a person to say so. You don't have this blind hatred, so I have no problem.

The problem with papal infallibility is most people, even Catholics, for them; it's hard to understand. Most people think it means the pope is perfect. That's not what it means. (I am not saying you don't know what it means, but just posting this for everyone else.) The basic premise is from this verse in the bible, in which Jesus instructed the apostoles (bishops): "He who hears you hears me" (Luke 10:16), and "Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven" (Matt. 18:18). Another one is Luke 22:32--"I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail." It basically means, as I understand it as best I can, we beleive the Holy Spirit is guiding the Pope's decisions in the church, and that they will not fall away from the teachings of Christ.

This is a pretty good, simple understanding of it from Catholic writer Karl Keating:
["Christ instructed the Church to preach everything he taught (Matt. 28:19–20) and promised the protection of the Holy Spirit to "guide you into all the truth" (John 16:13). That mandate and that promise guarantee the Church will never fall away from his teachings (Matt. 16:18, 1 Tim. 3:15), even if individual Catholics might.
As Christians began to more clearly understand the teaching authority of the Church and of the primacy of the pope, they developed a clearer understanding of the pope’s infallibility. This development of the faithful’s understanding has its clear beginnings in the early Church. For example, Cyprian of Carthage, writing about 256, put the question this way, "Would the heretics dare to come to the very seat of Peter whence apostolic faith is derived and whither no errors can come?" (Letters 59 [55], 14). In the fifth century, Augustine succinctly captured the ancient attitude when he remarked, "Rome has spoken; the case is concluded" (Sermons 131, 10)."]


I'd be interested, KC, if you told me what commuinion rules bother you and why Sunday sabbath bothers you, considering Catholic masses are held on Saturdays as well, AND during the weekdays?

 

well, in my understanding, anyone who is a baptised christian is able to receive communion. i like the way the sda's did communion. it was basically a supper complete witht he foot washing, and everyone received communion. i think that makes more sense.

sunday is called the sabbath. why? because the pope said so. if christ was celebrating the sabbath on saturday, that's good enough for me.

as for papal infallibility, honestly, can you really believe that the popes of the past have even listened to the holy spirit? i rather like this current one, aside from a few decisions. at least he seems to try to listen to god.

 

My experience may not be typical, but I've met my share of Christians who are bashers themselves. Much of the world has a live-and-let-live attitude toward matters of religion and spirituality, and there are a significant number of Christians (at least a very visible minority) who don't see it this way.


I'm not talking about all or most Christians, but there are some very high-profile people who seem to want everyone in the world to believe as they do and are very pushy about it. There are also people who at least claim to be Christians who are very active in politics who want the government to reflect their anti-abortion and anti-gay people positions. If these people were more into their own spiritual growth than pushing these positions on everyone else, there would almost certainly be less "Christian-bashing."

 

The problem is though Protestants and Catholics take communion for different reasons, times, etc. We take communion every mass, and beleive in the real presence of Christ's body and blood. Protestants generally bleieve it to be a symbol of his grace, so why would I take something I don't beleive? I would never take non-catholic commuion, for my own beliefs and out of respect for the other people's church.

I forgot why it was changed, or who did it, but most Christians use Sunday as well. Catholics use Saturday Sabbath as well, so there really is no problem I can see.

 

Quote: We take communion every mass, and beleive in the real presence of Christ's body and blood

Its a cracker, you must be delusional.

 

i have no problem with people taking communion every mass. what i don't believe is making people jump through hoops to get it.


i read a catechism (sp?) once. on the question as to why the sabbath was changed to sunday, the answer was basically "because the pope said so."

now, if a day has been set aside by god to be the holy day of rest, how does the pope have the ability to change that? this day has been set aside for all god's children to rest and think on him. chaning the day of rest means changing that people who should be observing god's day are doing their housework, stopping by mass, then going about other business. it kinda takes the crux out of the day. also, it's very difficult for people who wish to observe teh true sabbath to observe that day of rest because the rest of the world has been duped into accepting sunday as a sabbath, instead of saturday.

 

"I often wonder what the atheists think of the laws that are
going to be passed against those who cannot tolerate the
religious beliefs of others,and what are they going to do when
they are forced to become part of the religious system when all religions are united together?
Most will no doubt conform. Have you known many atheists
who will die for what they claim they believe?
Atheists love sin,and they know it. No secret there,duh!"

This is a quote from "dna"

I frankly was offended by this, and not much offends me.

 

what about it offended you? in particular, i mean, what is your objection to the quote. i know what mine would be but wouldn't think to speak for an atheist any more than i would for a buddhist or hindu.

 

It's not a cracker once the priest blesses it and becomes the body of Christ. To you, obviously a non-Catholic, it is a cracker, and it is until the process of transubstantiation comes into play, it is. Again, this is probably one of the biggest dividers among Catholics/Protestants that is alive to this day. The other one, quite frankly, is Mary.

 

quote:It's not a cracker once the priest blesses it and becomes the body of Christ.

So once a person who may or may not molest children, but has at least gone to seminary school says a few words a cracker, flour and a few other things, becomes the body of a man whos been dead for at least 2,000 years.......and you think that you are NOT part of cult?!

 

seamonster66, is it possable for you to grow up? You my friend are old news. Nothing you have or want to say is new. Everyone has heard it already. It is clear from your posts that you are not a believer in Christ. You are not a foolower of His teachings. Guess what...we are. Get over yourself and quit trying to impress your other non believe friends that come into this forum looking for a laugh or attempting to persuade a believer into something else. I recomend you just shut up and allow your brain to catch up to your age, perhaps then your maturity level can develope to that of at least a 13 yr old and compassion and understanding will take over. Until then, keep your rude remarks and degrading theories to yourself.

By the way, I am not Catholic nor do I support that religion(or any religion for that matter). I am however a Christian. Perhaps God will judge me on this day for not turning the other cheek. His will be done, and so am I.

 

Uh... call me a nitpicker, but Christianity is a religion dude.:H

 

Everything I say , i believe, and since this is a thread against christianity, and I am anti-christian, it seems I have found the right place to state these opinions.

you exhibit no characteristics of a true christian yet you claim to be one, you don't follow his teachings either.

I am trying to impress no one, i just think you are a moron and love fucking with you.

I will keep nothing to myself, if you can't handle it then ignore me like the weak minded fool you are.

so in short, you shut up, these forums are for posting opinions.

Lucifer sam is right, christianity is a religion and a cult.

 

We attack because no other system of beliefs has wrought so much suffering on to mankind.

Call it a prejudice, but it's one born out of experience.

 

Warrior has already been banned for spouting neo nazi beliefs.............I believe people should be able to say what they want,non-violently, but he did mention picking fights with minorities.

 

all religions are cults in the basic sense of the word. in the modern sense, most aren't.