What's metal to me probably isn't metal to you, but oh well. AC/DC Black Sabbath Motley Crue Guns 'n Roses Skid Row
Although, many still DO refer to them as metal. And I refer to Europe as a band with some metal element to them, so it's all good.
My top 5: Burzum Thorns Darkthrone Mayhem Bathory For the record, the following bands are NOT metal: Slipknot System of a Down Bon Jovi Guns n Roses Motley Crue Alice In Chains Disturbed Coal Chamber Mudvayne Deftones Godsmack Vanilla Ice Mushroomhead Soulfly White Zombie Korn rob zombie tool ratm marilyn manson Skid Row Europe All those bands fit into one of the following catagories: Hard Rock, Glam Rock, Industrial, Nu Metal (not a true form of Metal!), and Alternative Rock. Of coarse Black Sabath is a Metal band, they're almost universaly considered the first Metal band! The style they played lives on today in the sub-genre of Doom Metal. Also, for those of you who listed Dimmu Burgers and Cradle, I hope you know that they are not true Black Metal.
Doom metal has quite a bit evolved since Black Sabbath played something like that. They have only a few songs that could be considered doom metal, one of them is the song Black Sabbath. They sound overall like rock to me, but I agree with Junkhead: it doesn't matter, call it what you like.
Dude, I hate industrial and nu metal too but whether you like it or not, it is a form of metal. Music evolves, sometimes its for the better and sometimes its for the worse. Just because you don't like those bands doesn't mean they're not metal. They may not be true heavy metal or anything worth listening to, but they are metal whether we like it or not. I for one think nu metal is one of the worst musical genres that will ever be created. But unfortunately it still has a few characteristics of metal (heavy power chords, screaming, etc.) so it's classified under metal. But yeah I don't consider Bon Jovi and Europe heavy metal bands.
"has a few characteristics of metal (heavy power chords, screaming, etc.) so it's classified under metal." It has nothing to do with weather I like it or not (and no, I don't), but heavy power chords and screaming does not make a band metal. There are plenty of Punk bands with heavy power chords and screaming. Just because some one came up with the name Nu Metal does not make these bands metal. If I took a violin and slamed the bow against it really hard and I said it was violin metal, would it be metal? Anyway, I would say that a real authority in the matter is the metal archives at www.metal-archives.com where there is a gigantic listing of pretty much every metal band ever. If your curious, go there and look through their explination of what is and isn't metal. It is not just my opinion, it is recognized as an authority in the scene.
Motley Crue, Skid Row, GNR Those are all obviously hard rock bands. When were they considered metal? I'm old enough to remember when apitite for destruction came out. It was a great album, but nobody I knew of considered it metal.
Well it's metal to me. Why is that such a problem? I have a copy of an 80s edition of Rolling Stone magazine on my wall, it has a picture of Motley Crue, and not only does the cover say metal, but heavy metal.
And WHO decides that? I see a WHOLE BUNCH of heavy metal bands in the above list. That ain't what Dee Snider, a METAL singer, once said on his 10th anniversary Metal Edge magazine article, my friend. Yes, it does. So what if they don't sound like YOUR idea of metal?? Big deal. Let them call themselves Nu-Metal, and be thankful they've kept metal music alive, if in a slightly different format from what YOU believe to be metal, instead of being so negative and traditionalist about it all. Yes. Two words: Mark. Wood. Hmm, more importantly, if YOU considered yourself "metal" by doing that, you're fuckin' metal, man. :sunglasse I know of that website, and guess what.. Skid Row and Motley Crue ARE on there AS metal bands. Getting back to what Dee Snider once said on the Metal Edge magagine, I unfortunately can not quite quote the exact lines he said. However, I can tell you the rough idea of what he was talking about. I was along the lines of: "So call it what you will, whether metal, rock, grunge, alternative. The most important thing is that, when there's a heavily distorted guitar crunching away, and blistering vocals shaking the soul of a listener, it is, yeah, that's right, HEAVY FUCKIN' METAL." So it's quite alright not to consider certain bands as "metal", but that doesn't mean you can decide for the whole world your categorization is legitimate. Beside, excessive categorizing may create more chaos than peace. Just a thought.
Well, the problem with your arguement is that the words simply lose all meaning. Going by the logic presented above, I could bang on a wall and call it classical music, and beacause I said it was classical it must be classical, right? Or perhaps I could say that the sound of my car starting is jazz? Guess what, if any word means what ever we want, then words no longer have any function, and if words have no function, then we can not communicate. (BTW, Dee Snider is a worthless turd and I don't care what he has to say about anything.)
and I have to say black sabbath is metal....... to those who said they werent, you are clearly mistaken. they were the innovators of that genre. judas priest started out in the same vein, and people classify them as metal. metal just expanded over the years, and got faster, because of motorhead. still, sabbath is metal. they started the whole heavy, satanic riffs and dark lyrics...... and they influenced each and every band in the metal genre.
you are kidding, right??? I agree with the bon jovi and the guns n roses...... and europe. and vanilla ice..... hello? why is that there?? but even skid row had a metal album....... all of the other ones are true definitions of metal. they have the riffs and the dark lyrics, what else do you need??
I suppose I should have made my statement more clearly. What I meant was that, when you create something with the element of heavy metal, it could very well become metal. This could be said for any genre of music. If you blended the banging on the wall with classical music and arranged it well, that could be a form of classical music, if unorthodox. Similarly, if you used the sound of your car in conjunction with some jazz structures, you may have a form of avant-garde jazz a la John Zorn. Mind you, guys like John Zorn can take a rubber ducky and turn it into a musical instruement, so why not the sound of an engine? Another example would be Apocalyptica. When the cellists did the Metallica cover, they played metal music originally composed by Metallica. Who's to say the Apocalyptica version was not metal also? They have taken the heavy metal compositions, and played those songs. They just played them on four cellos instead of the guitars, bass, drums, and vocals. I hear metal when I listen to that Apocalyptica album. Paul Gilbert's "Gilberto Concerto" is another great example. That is originally a JC Bach's piece arranged by Paul and played on the electric guitar. That, to me, is classical music AS WELL AS rock/metal music. You are fully entitled to play a classical piece on the distorted guitar and call it classical, and at the same time still consider it rock or metal. Take the genre neo-classical, like Yngwie J.Malmsteen. His music is all of rock, metal, AND classical. Overly strict categorization may prevent, for one thing, a listener from expanding her/his musical preferences. It may also prevent someone from calling themselves musicians of a certain genre other than what they have been "labeled". I consider myself as a guitar player influenced by Satch, Vai, Yngwie, Def Leppard, SRV, Van Halen, Mozart, Paganini, and even guys like Seal, and play music that is similar to all of those guys. And I consider myself as a rock/metal/blues/jazz/classical/world music/etc guitar player. If someone said I was a blues rock guitarist, what's the problem?? If someone said I was a neo-classical shredder, that's fine by me. As for Dee Snider, you are totally free not to like him. I only mentioned his name because I personally believe he has contributed to the heavy metal community quite a bit in the past two decades, and I respect him for actually being open-minded enough to pick up on the metal element in bands that are otherwise not considered as metal. I'm only suggesting we should have an open mind when categorizing an artist, that's all.
dont believe everything that rollingstone prints to be true. they sell stuff for the masses....... hell, half of the magazine is all ads for clothing, perfume and alcohol......