Today's Senseless Violence

Oh, it's not just guns. People have been offing each other with various weapons long before guns were invented. Neanderthals used clubs. The phrase "running amok" refers to a characteristically Indonesian form of mass murder where a guy goes berserk and runs thru the street killing people with a machete. But guns are much more efficient--especially the ones with high capacity magazines. This makes it likely for the perpetrator to take out large numbers of people in a short time. Knives or lesser weapons run the risk of running into somebody like that marine who's on trial for killing Jordan Neely on the subway. Neely was armed with his fists.

 

Other countries, notably the Brits, Australia, and New Zealand, have implemented gun control and it does seem to work. The U.S. stands out as the outlier, thanks to the NRA and the right wingers on the Supreme Court.

 

Just trying to be real and for knowing that you're not going to disarm America at this point in time.

As for the so called assault weapons, that's already been tried, like said.

Again, I don't really know for the immediate, but am willing to go along with anything if it will really and truly cure the problem or for even effectively helping to curb it.

Thing is, there's no use in trying to put through legislation that doesn't have snowball's chance in hell for passing, which is pretty much what all my arguments have been about and with newo probably saying it best.

 

"The definition varies among regulating jurisdictions, but usually includes semi-automatic firearms with a detachable magazine, a pistol grip, and sometimes other features, such as a vertical forward grip, flash suppressor, or barrel shroud. Certain firearms are specified by name in some laws that restrict assault weapons. When the now-defunct Federal Assault Weapons Ban was passed in 1994, the U.S. Department of Justice said, "In general, assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire and combat use."
Loaded language poisons gun debate | CNN Politics
Assault weapon - Wikipedia

Agreed, effective gun control would be impossible in the present climate, where Retrumplican gun cultists and the NRA oppose any effective measures--obviously placing their fetish above human lives, including those of our children. And the corrupt right wing majority on the Supreme Court is guaranteed to back them up. I'm afraid the only "hope" is that some catastrophe will lead to a cultural sea change in this country. Maybe as the Retrumplican politicians and/or their loved ones become victims...

 

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All of those measures are resisted by the NRA. Those red flag laws are only as good as the parents or relatives and authorities who are supposed to supply the info, and some of the die hard gun nuts simply defy them. As for mental health, if you think it's hard to define assault weapons try defining that! Why Is Mental Health So Difficult to Define?

 

No one is looking to disarm America and no one is expecting an immediate solution but the fact we have 4% of the worlds population and 25% of the worlds guns is a problem. What people are expecting is there to be an urgency to address the leading cause of death for children. In lots of gun debates there’s always rationale for why something won’t work. A better approach imo is to say we’ve got to stop burying children murdered in schools right now and I’m willing to prioritize children’s lives over a gun fetish or esoteric debate.

 

Difficult to define terms can’t be the reason we continue to let our children be slaughtered at school

 

What we're up against. As long as they keep electing gun lovers like Lauren Boebert we're unlikely to see any meaningful gun control. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...ll-to-repeal-bipartisan-gun-control-measures/

 

Well, as you must know, that description doesn't really mean a lot with the array of choices that are out there.

This would mean that the said little Ruger 10 - 22 would be passed over because it doesn't have a barrel shroud, a flash suppressor, or a pistol grip. None of these 3 things have anything to do with it being a mass killer, but it does give it a mean look.
And then we have the larger caliber rifles that would get by as well and for having just as much effectiveness as the AR, AK etc...etc...

I rest my case on the definition aspect.

 

What the other side is saying here is that we need to see record numbers of kids murdered at school as important enough that we can’t be prevented from taking action by difficult definitions. They see debates about definitions as barriers to prioritizing children. We don’t care enough about our children to get past wording challenges

 

Honestly I don’t know why the argument even matters. If we care about kids more than we care about guns then we’ll do the best we can to make that situation better, even if the definition isn’t perfect. The quest for a perfect definition is absolutely prioritizing guns over kids if that definition is required to take any action

 

Well, then we amend the law to include that, etc. But the magazine capacity and ability to mow down large numbers of people in a short time are the relevant characteristics.

 

There won't be many left after that. Just saying and even though I like small caliber .22 bolt action rifles for varmints.
Thing is, they are more expensive and while the semi-autos are mass produced and for being much cheaper to buy. Just check with RK guns and you'll see what I mean.

I like old western style lever actions too with most of them holding quite a few rounds in a fixed barrel type magazine.

Story short, I'm pretty much up, for anything that will work in the immediate and really not that hard to get along with, when it comes to compromise.

 

Now it's a 12 year old! 12-year-old charged with murder in fatal shooting of Sonic worker in Texas

 

Oh, I think I have an argument for definition and classification alright. Just wait until the contest begins!

By the way, the forever popular small caliber .22 is a rim fire cartridge, so all of them would be home free, with many of the proposed state and federal laws.