To live or die for Dixie!

I'll trade your cornbread recipe for my killer pasta sauce recipe....

 

well post it on up, honey! i love pasta and don't ever get to have any good stuff because of my location.

 

oh man, Italian ice is soft, very soft, like you can push your lips into it soft and you get a giant cup of it for $2 at libby's. It comes in about 34 different flavors too. For example:

Now you have to imagine that's not really icey at all, think more like sherbet. And that size only cost $1.25, maybe $1.50 now. I hear Phili and Chicago make it the same way, everyone else seems to think it's literally one step below flavored ice shavings.

and next to a case of a ridciulous amount of flavors of italian ice is


and across from that is basically a mini capachunio house inside the store. There's also wrought iron fences and gates inside Libby's, it's definitely a relic from the 1930's in the most awesome way.

for the record if you're ever in new haven this is where you need to go
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wooster_Square

Literally on a street that's I don't even think 1/3 of a mile, in order you have Sally's and Pepe's which are 2 of the most famous pizza joints in the country, Libby's pastry and Italian ice, Abates pizza which is just as great, another pizza resturaunt after that, and on the opposite side of the street 3 more fancy Italian resturaunts, along with a park, package store and coffee shop.

For reference on how big the lines get at those 2 pizza shops from people going there:

I took that picture at 4:30pm on a wenednsday. People from new haven are smart though, we just order out, especially for sally's, they will treat you like shit inside there with the worst service of your life.
and the best dessert of your life



all right, i'll stop bragging about new haven now haha, man i had to post those pictures though, i'm being all nostalgic for 7 months ago, everything was so green and alive, right this second it's snowing.

 

Perhaps another thread... in another forum... I think there may be some munchies recipe threads in the MJ forums somewhere.

Gotta recall mine properly as it is a recent adaptation of one recipe part of another... the result trumped both. I just made a second batch and and it is soooooooo good... replicated pretty closely results from the first.

I'm bad with measurements I must warn you.... and anyone else out there who might try it.

 

oh, wow! i love snow. it's so pretty. i've only gotten to see it a few times in my life, and it was only a little bit that soon melted. right now it's so warm that i'm listening to crickets and frogs. new haven looks beautiful, just from the little bit you showed me. i noticed hardwood trees. those are nice to see when you've had nothing but ugly old slash pines around your whole life. and it looks so clean. just clean! you don't know how filthy people are around here. our horizontal surfaces are mostly all covered in old chewing gum from various decades, grease and oil, chods of spent chewing tobacco, cigarette butts, beer bottles, garbage, including gross garbage like dirty baby diapers and used condoms, and dirt.
so, you have definitely got me interested in connecticut, and i guess the whole new haven area. does the snow stay around all winter? or do you get some, it melts, you get more, etc.? and also..are you italian? it would explain the strong affinity for their food

 

that's alright..i'm bad with temperatures. i'll put mine on that munchy forum

 

lol this thread is so off topic, but the OP sucked anyways

Well last winter was unusually cold, we literally did not see the ground for almost 5 straight weeks, it didn't even snow that much except for once, it just never got above freezing, that's not normal though. The ground was clear till about an hour ago and we're only getting a dusting. But the past 2 weeks was pretty warm, then all of a sudden it snapped back to being winter on Friday night when the windchill was below 0.

It's cool though, we get 4 distinct seasons, hot summer, cold snowy winter, nice wet spring when everything goes into bloom, and of course, autumn and those trees. Everyone who's not from here loves the leaves but to us it's basically what lewis black said "the leaves change color for 4 days, big deal"

Must be remembered though Yale has helped saved downtown New Haven from the urban decay of most other cities. It's weird, Yale is huge and spread out, the downtown area of New Haven is more like a city built around a college then a college inside a city. But I could show you some shittier parts of the city if you want lol.

The New Haven green is fun though, aside from being large, looking pretty and having good scenery around(including a very fancy blue and purple christmas tree this year), and aside from the fact it was built under the dimensions the puritans thought was needed to hold the population of the world that would be spared come the rapture(apparently 100,000 if you're wondering), it really is probably the only place in the world where the extreme poor from the ghetto and the extreme rich from Yale share and mingle in the same spot.

 

I'm sure that is a factor, since I see it in reverse here. Now that we no longer have a hot and expanding economy, the main draw for northeasterners is the well-known family values lifestyle. I have worked with people who relocated here mainly to prevent their kids from being exposed to "scary" things such as nightlife.

Sara, if you and Madcap ever have a face-to-face conversation, you're going to need a translator! Just don't ever go to Boston! lol

If you're ever in Natchez, check out Pearl Street Pasta downtown.

I didn't know you were in New Haven! Original hometown of Karen Carpenter and Liz Phair. I've been there once, in summer. I stayed in the tall hotel (can't remember the name) overlooking Yale, and I took the train into New York City. That was the smallest airport I have ever seen, but I thought downtown was quite nice. I walked to the train station and passed the civic center on the way, which may be the strangest building I have ever seen anywhere.

The last time I was in Natchez, it started snowing as I left and it came down hard all the way up the Natchez Trace Parkway. My flight was canceled because they had no de-icing equipment at the Jackson airport.

We got six inches here a few days ago, and the ground is still covered. Snow is a lot more interesting if it doesn't stick around too long. This snow has turned hard (icy) and nasty, like northern snow.

It's not off topic. We're bridging the north-south cultural divide. Food is always a good tool for doing that.

 

Back to food - My aunt in Bonifay Florida would always fix a big breakfast - grits, fried ham, country sausage, biscuits and fried eggs. Man that was good!! She lived to be 97 - maybe that food is not so bad after all. I remember my Mamadoright (g'mother) would cook a big dinner - ham, fresh peas & corn, rolls, iced tea and on - then she would take a sheet and put it over the table and at supper everybody just came to the table and set down again. That's one of my favorite southern memories.
(Glad you're joyful again Sarah)

 

tell you what luv, in a couple of weeks, i'm taking off to my home town of duluth, minnesota to, attend the winterfestival.
arty:


come on up to duluth and, i'll show you so much ice and snow... hell, i'll even show a lot of below zero temps in there for free.
be sure and bring your best winter clothing. (people in the south, have no ideal what real cold and snow is!)


by the time you get back home, you will no longer look like one sweet southern belle... HELL NO! you will look like one big, bad, mean mamma of yankee bitch after, all that snow shoveling i'll get you into.
you'll have the physique of a body builder and, you'll also get hair on your chest too!
by the time we yankees are through with you, you will a 100% pure yankee minnesotaian woman!

after one week in duluth and, in the middle of a minnesota winter... you will be thinking: "how in the hell did i ever let that goddamn motherfucking yankee asshole talk me into this?" you will cruse both me and, snow to eternal damnation and, you will be praying you never, ever, see that white shit ever again!
:banghead:

 

Food filibuster?

While the OP isn't exactly my cup of tea I think it's therapeutic to discuss- shall we say, cultural frailties- openly, frankly, and without emotional reaction because acknowledging the ills is a big first step toward putting them behind us.

This relates to some degree with another thread elsewhere on this site about what you hate most about yourself- as much as our character flaws and imperfections are an inextricable part of who we are so is the history of institutional discrimination and race hatred a part of what our country is.

 

OK - back on topic then if food is out. I am a southern, Alabama born, Mississippi raised re-born liberal. I have lived in the south for 62 years and know it well, from all angles. I myself once walked away from a fair vendor who was black - I had been told they would spit my food because I was white. Hearts change though and comparatively speaking the south has changed far more drastically that the north or west. Integration of races I think is now more complete in the south that most northern cities that are heavily populated by minority groups.
Re the Civil War. My GGrandfather fought on the side of the south, my uncle fought on the side of the south - I guarentee you one think - it was not because of slavery. They were dirt farmers who never owned a slave - I know because I have researched and been through the records to see. 90 % of the population of the south did not own slaves. To them, I'm sure economic issues outweighed slavery.
The south was an agricultural region that was being oppressed by the bigger industrial states, similar to so many today that are being oppresed by the huge Corporate interest. The just wanted to be left alone to live their lives.
Economic issues, not slavery were the primary cause of the Civil War. And yes - it was agression by the north that instigated the war.

History is written by those who won the conflict and taylored to make the winners to look righteous and the losers terrible sinners. That's the way history is written.

I find many northerners who judge the south to be no more than hipocrites who want to make themselves look better than others by slandering their way of life and culture.

 

Ah Tweed airport..............is not a real airport lol. If you came back in the 90's it had a few destinations, now it has one. Though Union Station on the other hand is the 15th busiest train station in the country right behind Albany. Hope you came recently, I'm a youngin but I remember my childhood, New Haven didn't escape the decay of the 80's either, but starting in the mid 90's it's like someone pumped steroids into it(which they literally did, we're once again on an endless urban renewal project and improved so much. Bridgeport and Hartford are still all kinds of terrible.

New Haven does have some damn weird buildings, but we also have some of the best architecture around with all the gothic Yale buildings



Also, to self criticize, things I hate about the north east:
-People aren't as friendly
-The cost of living is through the roof from food, to houses, electricity, to cigarettes.
-Gigantic gaps between rich and poor like hilariously large in the same crowded cities that in 6 blocks turn from the ghetto to mansions

 

Absolutely love the architecture.

 

Personally while New Haven is a mecca for architecture fans, I think my favorite thing ever put up in the city is this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v27/TheMadcapSyd/The City/Picture005.jpg
(this is not photoshop, this actually exist at the top of east rock park)

 

It was the mid-90s. Do you still have that freaky civic center up on legs?

In my own experience, I have found New Yorkers to be more friendly than people in Winston-Salem. To find that legendary Southern hospitality, in most cases you need to go to a state that touches the Gulf of Mexico.

Our local architecture is all over the place, from colonial

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to contemporary/international.

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That last building (center) was a scaled-down prototype for the Empire State Building in NYC, completed in 1929. Most of the larger buildings are mostly empty now.

We have a good bit of cultural interaction with the Northeast, thanks to Wake Forest University and the NC School of the Arts. Many northerners come to Wake and stay in NC, especially those who finish medical school here. And people from all over visit the School of the Arts and the events that they sponsor, especially the film festival in the spring. You might remember that one of the presidential debates between George W. Bush and Al Gore (1980) was held on the campus of Wake Forest.

 

For many decades, most New Yorkers had no personal interaction with the South other than vacation trips to Miami and New Orleans, by train. Miami doesn't really count, since its local culture has never had anything to do with the Old South. Florida wasn't even a state in 1865. New Orleans isn't very Southern either by redneck standards, but its architecture is certainly something that Southerners can be proud of and enjoy. At least it was in a Confederate state, and a battle was fought there.

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Most people assume that the architecture of the French Quarter is French, but it is mostly Spanish, including the classic upper level porches and iron railings. The town changed ownership several times in its history, and due to the timing of various natural disasters, it was the structures of the Spanish that were left standing after the last round of destruction and rebuilding.

 

When you say the civic center do you mean the whole coliseum?
http://images.google.com/images?hl=...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CCMQsAQwAw

That got called the civic center often. It was right next to the highway that ended at a giant parking garage. If that's the one you're talking about..................no they blew that crap up a few years ago lol.

I love how colonial architecture spreads all along the east coast, each region has it's own flavors but those top 2 pictures could've easily been taken in North Carolina or Rhode Island. Places in the south have help up better though, the small towns and plantations with so much room. Here even back when it was basically people living on farms or the cities, and the farms were generally nothing to speak of building wise because of how small and low income they were compared to the places down south with land and good soil.

I like how walking friendly the downtown is in New Haven, it's old and cramped and you can literally walk all over downtown with no problem. And the streets look fantastic because of it.
http://images.google.com/images?hl=...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CCMQsAQwAw


Is it the same there? North Carolina is one of the original colonies so I assume their cities are kind of like up here where they don't have the ridiculous urban sprawl of younger cities, where downtown is actually friendly to be.

Also another great thing here is we were basically the first to follow a grid pattern around a green, which aside from making it easy to know where you're going, in the center if the city you have this nice thing:


You can't even see it all, I'm standing at one corner, that church(one of 3 on the green, New Haven has old churches like NYC has skyscrapers, which I always found ironic considering how non religious we are now) in the backround is the midway point where Church street cuts through the green, then there's the other half of it.

*edit*
Ah I've always loved how New Orelans looked, probably being a busy seaport from the earliest days of Europeans helped give it the charm it has, along with adding of the French flavor that's nowhere else. There's also a bit of Caribbean island taste to it.

 

I live in texas, and used to live in maine. People are douchebags in tx.

So no, people are nicer in the northeast....