To live or die for Dixie!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by EastCoastRN, Jan 29, 2010.

  1. NotDeadYet

    NotDeadYet Not even close.

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    It's not a legally binding part of US law.
     
  2. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    Not at all, all it is is a joint deceleration of 13 independent colonies declaring their political independence from Great Britain. The Articles of Confederation set up the first binding law for an American nation
     
  3. EastCoastRN

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    Abortion and gun rights.
     
  4. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    Abortion and guns rights are the 2 most serious issues for people who don't understand federal law. One, you can't make abortion illegal, the supreme court has ruled on this, how it's carried out and the laws around it are a state issue and always have been. The supreme court has also ruled the 2nd amendment is a personal right, and again is a state issue.

    Not to mention these are the 2 issues that affect people's lives the least, most people, especially men, will never have an abortion, most people who want/don't want guns, already do/do not own guns.
     
  5. EastCoastRN

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    Those in power are continually trying to remove the right of the people to bear arms. An unarmed populace can't resist tyranny. I have the right to own my AR-15, my 12 gauge and my 9mm handguns. I also have the right to keep my handgun on my person while out and about.
     
  6. EastCoastRN

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    Those in Washington are slowly removing our freedoms one by one. Most people don't see this happening. As the government is expanding, freedom is contracting.
     
  7. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    What have those in Washington done to remove said right?
     
  8. EastCoastRN

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    Put restrictions on a right given to me in the Constitution of the State of West Virginia. I am required to have a license to carry my handgun. They have also attempted another version of the assault weapons ban on the federal level, a ban which did NOTHING to curb violent crime.
     
  9. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    That's not the feds, that's your state. Handgun permits and the laws around them are a state issue ranging from non existent in Illinois in the sense no one can get them almost, to non existent in Alaska and Vermont in the case you don't need them.

    And making sure the person walking around in public carrying a gun is sane and knows what they're doing isn't an infringement on rights, it's sanity.

    And I don't agree with the assault rifle ban but the fact is when it was first introduced it was a great deal of support, especially after the violent crime wave of the 80's and early 90's

    Even in pro gun areas it has support:
    http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-13186709.html
     
  10. NotDeadYet

    NotDeadYet Not even close.

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    ...unless you change the ruling majority on the Supreme Court. Other than declaring war, making a Supreme Court nomination is the most important duty of a president, in terms of impact.

    The gun rights issue as presented here is absurd, because it's based on an assumption that the National Guard would routinely follow orders to open fire on unarmed citizens. Guard members tend to be more conservative than average Americans, and not likely to follow unconstitutional orders from someone who wanted to set himself up as a dictator.
     
  11. RooRshack

    RooRshack On Sabbatical

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    I could be wrong.... but I was quite certain the president is not the one who declares war....
     
  12. EastCoastRN

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    The federal government has been trying for years to institute mandatory gun regulation on the states. Yes, my permit is from the state government, but the restrictions are federal. It is a federal form I must fill out to purchase a gun, and the fed chooses which guns are legal and which aren't.

    Drivers license are issued to just about everyone. Far more dangerous than a handgun.
     
  13. EastCoastRN

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    Correct, he isn't. Bush and Obama have continued a trend of presidents using the military without congressional approval. Just an FYI, many of these trends started with Dishonest Abe.
     
  14. NotDeadYet

    NotDeadYet Not even close.

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    Officially, it is congress, but nobody ever does formal declarations of war anymore. The President just gives the order.
     
  15. EastCoastRN

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    He shouldn't be doing that.
     
  16. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    lol no. The president is commander and chief of the armed forces, he does not need congressional approval to enforce federal laws as is his job. The US never recognized as Confederacy as an independent state, it was an internal rebellion that doesn't require congressional power to deal with.

    Past that, the war powers act has limited what the president can do without congressional approval past 60 days time, remember though Iraq had congressional approval.

    lol, cars are not built with the intent purpose to kill. Restrictions are not federal except for what is banned in all states period, which still leaves near all firearms up for grabs. I don't know about you but regular people shouldn't have RPG's, there's a lot of insane people in this country. The federal form is because the backround check is federal to make sure a convicted violent felon isn't moving from one state to another to try to buy a gun.
     
  17. EastCoastRN

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    I don't carry a weapon to kill people, I carry it to protect myself. An RPG here and there never hurt anyone. I don't believe Uncle Sam has any business knowing whether I am buying a weapon. If everyone is armed, there is nothing to worry about.
     
  18. Individual

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    That's irrelevant.
     
  19. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    No, uncle Sam does because not everyone is entitled to own a gun.

    Also, Abe wasn't waging war, he was putting down an internal rebellion, just as Washington did with the Whiskey rebellion without congressional approval. You gonna say Washington was wrong on what the founding fathers believed in?
     
  20. EastCoastRN

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    damn, the Whiskey Rebellion...... I'll concede on that.
     

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