Thus Spoke Zarathustra

Let me reiterate. I think a lot of what he said is bitter, lonely, bullshit. But I must say that I found his philosophy about 'will' very, very beneficial. I certainly don't agree with the anti-female shit he spouts.

And yea, he did seem to be much more of a madman than a genius, so it's best to not take everything he says too seriously.

 

Nietzsche is very piercing in his critiques.

To Nietzsche, the petty bourgeois woman, with her weak middle class morality, is a superficial creature without spirit.

She is a creature, who is conditioned by mere social climbing and status seeking.

A creature, whose relationships are unworthy of the title Friendship.

It's no wonder that America's Gothic Puritan Culture, of self congratulating middle class values, should feel threatened by Nietzsche's critiques.

Nietzsche pierces through the Freedom Fearing, Nature Hating values of this culture.

Nietzsche reveals how these women hate and repress everything natural and beautiful within themselves. From childbearing and nursing, to celebrating their own daughter's coming of age, to dancing naked in the moonlight; they repress it all.

But, if you think Nietzsche is harsh on women of our Bovine Culture, you should hear how he crushes the spineless insect he laughingly calls, Modern Man.

No more bitter than any Freedom Seeker born in this Freedom Fearing land.

Any man, who would set himself against the irresistable momentum of his culture's irrational collective unconscious, must be a little mad.

Beyond that, in those days, the later stages of Syphilis often brought madness and death.

The evidence suggests that Nietzsche died in Syphilitic insanity.

Ironic too, having been raised, the only male, in a house of stifflling middle class women, Nietzsche spent most of his later life celebate.

 

Yea, I know that Nietzsche didn't go insane from merely using his brain too much, I read how he got injured in war and had to take a lot of medicine. I don't know much yet but I got a couple of his biographies lined up.

and yea, true, he spoke his contempt against the modern age, both men and women. But yea, he was quite a powerful prophet, and if you are turned off by his writings, I don't think you really understand them.

Nietzsche did try to marry a few women, so he was not anti-female. I really need to read his biography by Kaufman so I can learn more about all this.

 

Like I said... If you like him, more power to you. I understand that to some he speaks vast truths. A lot of people can really relate to him and can really see where he is coming from and that's great for them. But I do not like his work; and we are all entitled to our own opinions.

Just because I don't like something, doesn't mean that I fail to understand it. I don't like racism, abuse, neglect, and a lot of other things, but I am not ignorant of them. Please don't insult my intelligence.

 

Yea I was wrong to state that 'if your turned off, you probably dont understand him'. He was sort of an asshole, yes, but you just gotta take what you will from any philosophy. As I said before, I did not like at all the shit he said about women either.

 

Exactly... Heck, if I bought everything that I read or was "taught" in my life, I'd probably be a born-again Christian, telling you that you will go to Hell for your ideas.

But, since I generally do not completely agree with everything that I am told, I do throw out most of what I learn about philosophy/religion.

Tell me, is this misogyny rampant throughout all of his books? Because I really have heard good things about him and his work and when I tried to read Zarathustra (which was acclaimed as "his best"), it was with the intent of gaining knowledge. But I was put off and not quickly, I lasted quite a while with it. But, if all of his stuff is like that, then I won't bother reading it...

 

I thought he just hated christinity because of what it did to man and woman, brought them shame.

 

I think so, Autumn, or at least in this one part in Beyond Good and Evil, he fuckin goes off for like 10 pages, talking about women. You might want to avoid that section.

And zen-man, yes, he did hate all religion that brought shame. Mainly western religion. He was always saying "I wouldn't believe in a God who couldn't dance". So at least that doesn't rule out the Vedas, but then again, I'm sure the Vedas are a bit higher of authority than Friedrich Nietzsche the man was.

 

No, Nietzsche was against religion in any known form, because it's a form of slavery to adopt someone else's theories about life. His opinion was that there isn't a full truth, only interpretations. Those interpretations naturally vary individually, so each person must have his own theory about life and has to force it on other people (which he calls the will for power...) So he's pretty much against any form of religion...

Ironically, adopting his theories means not following them... if you know what I mean...

 

Speaking of Nietzsche, i just bought this book today called "When Nietzsche Wept" by Irvin Yalom. It's pretty goddamn fascinating, it's a fictional account of this leading psychoanlysis guy psychoanlysising Nietzsche, and it's fiction, so it's not boring.

Floris, is that quote in your sig "Without you, today's emotions would be the scurf of yesterdays?"