thoughts on evolution

Just because the population at large says that it is true, doesn't make it true - and if you know anything about social programming then you'll realise that control of the wider populations' belief is achieved through brainwashing - telling something that may or maynot be true, but asserting that its true, and any contrary opinion is summarily dismissed and ignored so it doesn't need to be addressed. THings imo must always be addressed - lies and truth - to accept one and weed out the other

31 buddy, and my IQ is 185 (Mensa) - if that so interests you?

 

I've already given you references to observed and documented examples of speciation - this is macroevolution occurring - where one species splits into two distinct species incapable of interbreeding. You can keep repeating the same thing if you like, but really you're just demonstrating your own ignorance of the facts.

Animal husbandry and selective fertilisation of plants give us examples of the kinds of radical phenotypic changes which can occur within a species when populations are reproductively isolated from one another. We've observed this happening to the extent that the different groups are no longer capable of interbreeding with one another. When this occurs in the wild, evolution of these distinct groups *must* take different paths due to the lack of interbreeding, by definition. In order to show that this does not lead to the formation of distinct species over many generations you would need to show that the well-documented examples of this occurring are not correct. In order to show that the radical species-level phenotypic change over time implied by microevolution and speciation (and the fossil record, and the genetic record) is not possible you would need to demonstrate a biological mechanism which limits variation to "kinds". No such mechanism has been proposed.

Do you have evidence for this assertion?

 

Hold your horses there, buddy. Are you telling me that you aren't doing the same thing to everyone here that you are accusing them of? You don't believe in evolution, we get it. If someone does believe in it, let them. Even though pretty much all the scientific evidence points in the direction that life evolves, you keep ASSERTING that evolution is false. Now I ask you, is it at all possible that YOU are being brainwashed by religion? Not everyone is a christian, you know. You can't just assume that you are correct beyond the shadow of a doubt, and that no one else knows "the truth."

The way I see it, you're just trying to create controversy so that you can feel good about who you are and the relic you believe in. If you want to talk about how evolution cannot possibly be true, there is a christianity forum in the religion section. So you can continue to weed out the "lies" as you say over there.

By the way, has the thought that creationism and evolutionism could possibly co-exist ever CROSSed your mind? I doubt it. Perhaps God created life to evolve. Maybe it's planned out. Maybe EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON. Maybe.

I have no quarrels with your religious beliefs, I just see someone who gets arise out of challenging everyone else's beliefs simply because they have too much time on their hands and nothing to do with it.

Good day to you sir,

Mike.

PS: Jesus loves you.

 

"Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel."
-Matthew 23:24

 

Seeing as you happen to have a bible handy, tell me something. Is there anything in that book about not forcing your religion on other people?

"All religions are created equal, but thou must keep it to thyself."
Niehaus 27:69

I like how you carefully avoided the everything happens for a reason part, the concept of predestination, also known as "destiny" isn't for everyone, although it is a christian belief that I happen to subscribe to.

 

For example, because of artificial breeding the domestic sheep no longer produces viable offspring with mouflon, one of the species from which it is descended. The two are morphologically similar but are now taking different evolutionary paths and have become distinct species or kinds. Yes, changes of impressive phenotypic dissimilarity in the wild take many thousands or millions of years, but we can observe the process in action in many currently 'branching' or similar, but distinct species around today.


Mouflon


Sheep

 

yes still feel superior, and were humans not animals but if you feel that your family evoluted form mice or monkeys feelfree

 

arent you being the pharisees by believing evolution?

 

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what book is this from?

 

Gave me goosebumps.

 

Word, Lithium.

One worrying thing about the theory of evolution being a widely adopted belief, or yes, 'evident truth' is that it's robbing society of less materialistic beliefs, aiding to the spread of a more aestheticly-based lifestyle like that which we find in America (I'm American too, no need to flame). I don't particularly mind it, but I feel it might step in the way of some ethical viewpoints. I enjoy the right to abortion, for instance, because I'm sure if I knocked up some girl during a one-night stand before I left college I'd be all for getting rid of the problem, but I feel it robs the right of life. Of course ethically it's a complex issue (and I don't want to derail the thread using it as an example), and it may be unethical to subject the child or those involved into raising a child, or the women having to go through childbirth if she's quite unprepared. Religion plays a large role in defending at least religiously-ethic views blindly or with consideration, as well as those which may not be based in ethics (such as stoning a girl who got raped out of religious custom of a certain area).

Still getting to that post truth-giver, gonna eat first though

 

I think I love you.

 

Well, you know that I'M A MONKEY MAN and I'm glad you are a MONKEY WOMAN too. I hope we're not too messianic of a trifle too satanic, love to play the blues.

I guess The Rolling Stones believe in science AND evolution, as the above statement is some lyrics from the song, "Monkey Man"

 

Typical really - you say The truth is you're wrong; All the facts support evolution; Everyday studies support evolution, blah blah blah
But then you offer NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING - bit like dawkins; And let me tell you - if there wasn't anything to argue, then Dawkins, Gould and Morris should be best of friends;
Why don't you just keep quiet and let the adults talk, or are you slow in learning that I have to put this more simply for you??

This issue has been settled beyond any dispute in the scientific community, and genetic studies confirm it literally every day of the week, thousands of times over. End of story- grow up and face reality, prove your assertions scientifically, or STFU. I won't waste my time schooling you on stuff you should have learned as a child.

 

Oh - I missed this post;
Its as proven as anything can possibly be, as any BRAINWASHED person will tell you.
Honestly, turn off the TV, and go do some reading for yourself; Look at the facts, look at the arguments on the interpretation on the facts and then tell me the statement you gave above.

Gosh, what a convincing paper you've written. Submit the above words to a peer-reviewed scientific journal, and I'm sure you'll become famous like Einstein and Dawkins [rolls eyes].

Funny how creationists demand evidence, proof, logic, reason- while categorically rejecting all scientific measurements, observations, and even the validity of logic and reason itself. That's why I make no serious effort to educate these people- you can't reason with someone who holds that reason itself is invalid.

 

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Dr. Dino... now there is a credible source...lol