thoughts on communism

Are you asking me?

Yes, the conflict between classes will always be in motion, sometimes it will be open, sometimes hidden, sometimes direct, other times, indirect. However, the conflict will be constant.

The conflict will always exist, even if the opposition is hidden (like in the West), or open (like in the Phillipines, Colombia, India or Nepal, where the poor has risen up against the upper class).


Like Marx and Engels wrote in the Communist Manifesto:

"Throughout history we see the oppressor and oppressed in constant opposition to each other. This fight is sometimes hidden and sometimes open."

In motion, yet constant.

 

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Why are you so certain that I am not politically active?

People like Che Guevara did everything he himself demanded from others. If he said, "let's do X", he was in the forefront, trying to accomplish "X". That's how every real communist should be.

I cannot expect others to do things I wouldn't do myself. That would be hypocricy. And if I acted on such false premises ("do what I tell but, but I aint gonna follow you", I would cease being a communist.

 

what i was saying about cappycomie was that these two groups argue over a problem as if their solutions are the only solution.
what im talking about would abolish classes, but, unlike communism, there is no state or commune everyone belongs to, there are still individuals with possessions you might consider private property, no you cant just barge into someones house and "share" their stuff as what hippies and communist seem to envision. F that. Everybody is never going to agree with that. I am thinking of what would be a combo of the two but neither.
A big problem with communists, as well as other groups like anarchists, is that they always turn it into, "you're my enemy, I will overthrow you and destroy you!" and this is bad because it is dividing, in a sense you become the monster you are trying to kill.
What I'm thinking of would be a world-wide switch-up that would end all class struggles and leave the people as individuals to live and rule themselves, then there are no more conflicts and all can live as they chose without being a part of some entity such as a state or commune or even an employee because you are self-employed.

http://www.modernhistoryproject.org/mhp/ArticleDisplay.php?Article=BolshevikRev

in the meantime everybody would be wise to check this out.

 

I don't believe in communism but I also don't believe that the system that we have now works. The lottery should pay up as promised and the taxes should be used to help the americans instead of making weapons then everyone would get a little more and we still will enjoy the freedoms that we have now.

 

communism has not worked,communism has not been implimented correctly,communism in theory MAY sound good to some,capitilism did/does work,capitilism is being corrupted by power hungry moguls,would not the same happen again with communism, people are greedy selfish animals cant get around that,even if 95% were not greedy the 5% that were could bring it all crashing down (communism)...are any of the pro communism posters living in a communist country if not why not

 

Communist countries don't exist.

The closest we have today is Cuba, which is a socialist state.

Remember that captialism has had 900 years to improve and refine, how can we expect that socialism is going to be as refined over night? Even so, many socialist nations who are third world countries, have done remarkable things.

 

Oh yes, fantasy and imagination is a good thing. Even Einstein said that. However, you're not using imagination, only stupidity and pre-judgement.



Actually, only nations with capitalist mode of production have done so.

Germany and the other nations during WW1. Germany during WW2. Japan against China. The US against Japan (nuclear weapons). The US using biological weapons against Cuba:

In 1971, the CIA dropped African Swine Fever germs over Cuba, forcing the Cubans to destroy 500,000 pigs (the entire pig population), eliminating the supply of pork, a staple of the Cuban diet. This was the first outbreak of swine fever in the Western Hemisphere.


In 1981, the CIA started a dengue fever epidemic that resulted in 273,000 people on the island came down with the illness, killing 158 people, including 101 children.3. Between 1956 and 1958 the US Army tested whether mosquitoes of the type Aedes Aegypti - which are carriers of dengue fever - could be used as weapons of biological warfare. 4 During a trial in New York in 1984, a Cuban exile said that in late 1980 a ship traveled to Cuba "with a mission to carry some germs to introduce them in Cuba to be used against the Soviets and against the Cuban economy ... which later on produced results that were not what we had expected ... and it was used against our own people, and with that we did not agree". - wikipedia

The US also used radiation against it's own soldiers, in the 70's, I believe.

 

No, I did not say "good" or "evil". I just explained the situation. But I take it that you are human, and understand that what is going on in Brazil and Indonesia isn't very humane. You're the one setting standards (good/evil) here, I'm just explaining reality in these two nations with a population of 186 million (Brazil) and 241 (Indonesia). Imagine how many people are suffering so that a few dozen rich bastards in the US and Western Europe can live wealthy.

Is it fair?

Why should a few individuals reap the fruits of millions of people?

 

Anarchy is for children?

As far as I know, babysitters are for children.

Welcome to government.

Baby.

 

Wow, it almost pained me to read this.
You think I want to actually fight and harm people?
Listen, government IS NOT people,
it is a CONCEPT.
an idea.
That's what I'm fighting.
It's in the mind, not the people; I love the people.
By making people what you call "socially equal" I mean giving the the opprotunity to live as they choose.
You're not against that, are you?

And the difference between Hitler and I is,
I'm right.
I can see you see this too, that's why you wrote this shoddy denial arguement in haste.
Because you knew what I was getting at was the FACT that are lives are us being herded from one institution to the next, and maybe you didn't want to look at it that way. It's okay. Just let it sink in and you'll see from the broader viewpoint through which I look at the Universe.
Peace.

 

Society is in the Universe, dude.
Look into it.
Furthermore, the people that you speak of being in the government are the ones with the idea of an authority-entity burned into their mind from childhood. Along with most of the world, you and I have it, too; I consider myself lucky to have gotten rid of it.
Yes capitalism does offer the opprotunity...for a price.
The life of the capitalist depends solely on money.
And your ability to work, blah blah, we can do that without money.
What I was talking about with my kooky view of the universe crap is,
on earth, the people are carted around like little ants from one place to the next, first school every day for 22 years or so, then a 9-5 job for many people, crammed in a freeway that leads to a cubicle, then you work until your hair turns gray and you spend your "retirement" shitting into a cathader.
I'm just looking for a little more, that's all.
And I know I sound like a pessimest with this example, but this is just the middle class. Sure you can say, not everybody has it like that, some people have it better, some worse; what I want is for all people to "have it" how they want it, not by what a profession dictates, and that my friends, the money bind, is the only problem i have with capitalism.

 

dude. work for nothing?
im saying work for everything!
answer me this, would you work for free, if you could get anything for free?

 

Well, and I'm so out of breath from explaining this elsewhere, I'm not thinking of a trade system, more of a collective market, acknowledging the concept of possesions so no sharing commie hippie crap,

"Thats a complete impossiblity, its nowhere near even being feasable, or being fare, most certainly the work would not be equal, yet everybody gets to join in, in the taking! How in the world is that being "socially fare"? "
Yeah of course this sounds unfair.
This isn't what I'm talking about, it's close but just not as much detail, so of course under a negative light it's gonna sound like shit, because nothing like this has been presented yet.
About gas and drilling and all that...as far as I know, most manuel labor can be done by machines. Have a computer run that drill, or mine for stuff. We can do it. We're smart enough to make that shit. All the hard dangerous strenous stuff can be done by machines if no volunteers come about.
Money is a great item for exchange because its universal, but what I think is even more universal is an exchange of knowing you are providing for the society that provides for you. Yeah you're going to disagree because you've been living in currency culture your whole lives.
And that leads me to bring something else up. Do this for me if you remember, go about your normal day, and pay attention to things like commercials and radio and news shows, you'll see that 90% (pulled statistic out of my ass) of the world's problems revolve around people not having enough money somewhere, or stressful mortgage payments and all this other junk like credit scores. It's just gotten overblown and corrupted, and its time to evolve it.
So who's gonna do the crappy jobs? Who's gonna take out the garbage? I'd picture a town to have it's own dump, and, here it is, YOU take out your own garbage. I've realized that most of the jobs we'd consider crappy, aren't even necessary. I can get rid of my own crap and so can you.
More to come maybe, but I can't look at money without seeing how it restricts freedom rather than enhances it.

 

what like being born into poverty and not recieving any education becuase their family couldn't afford it?

 

Well i was actaully reffering to third world countries. And how can the rich exist without hte poor? As long as there is rich there must be poor.

 

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and the system creates those choices

 

"You have got to be kidding me!!!!!!! I'm struck dumbfounded, I don't know if I should laugh or give pitty, seriously, you have no experience in the industrial setting, that much is obvious! Machines cost lots of money just to implement them, then you have to operate, troubleshoot and maintain them! In the industrail setting, these machines are usually designed by the task that needs completing, this means, that their usually is no such store that an industry can go to and buy a machine, most of the time, the machines are developed and built by engineers and computer engineers, hired by the company! And those fellows are not cheap to hire! not to mention all the other parts and time involved, adding a computerized machine is always a costly advanture!"
dude youre totally proving my point here.
Everything is costly costly costly. Machines cost a lot, they take a lot to build.
Sure I'm a quasi-armchair idealist, but if you don't think we as a race could figure out how to get that done then you have no faith in humanity. This shows how influenced your entire thought process is by currency culture, you don't seem to be able to picture doing anything without worrying about costs, worrying about green paper who's value is in your head. You don't think that the smart industrial folk of earth can hook up and design some sort of drill device or some crap to get our minerals and metals? Does it really sound that difficult to you?
If it does, it is because of currency culture.

 

I never said people don't make poor decisions, but more chances to make poor decisions are created in this system.

 

"No sir, I will not pay attention to the clutter, I will admire a beautiful relaxing sunrise, on my way to work, thank you very much!"
Okay. Turning a blind eye to problems never hurt anyone right?
And my idea gets rid of this clutter.