thoughts on communism

There won't be a leader in a communist society. Everyone will have an equal say, and equal power. There will be no 'purpose' for a leader, or a state, because communism is a classless society. The state exist because class society exist. Before class society was born, there was no state.

There will not be (nor any need for) a state in a classless society.

 

There will be loads of naked dark-skinned women with big juicy asses rolling me blunts and generally sweating my balls while I sit back at a clear-water beach sipping a pina colada in my fantasy world. I will be naked too, so that I can have extra fun running through fields of dank-ass marijuana as far as the eye can see. My mushroom patches will grow from the sheer power of my thought, and the drinks are ALWAYS free.



...Now aren't ideas fun?

 

Ignorance is bliss. I'm just saying what a communist society really is. If you don't know what communism is, that is your problem, and your ignorance.

If I am so wrong, why don't you give us a definition of communism?

What is "that"? Oh, a classless society? I don't think you understand to the full extent (to say the least), the dynamics of society. There is no point in a dictatorship, if there is no class society. A class society can't be stateless, beacuse of that, it's based on class relations. In order for a class society to exist, the state is needed. That's why the state exist, because of class relations.

Class society means dictatorship. You can't have dictatorship without class society, and you can't have class society without a dictatorship. It keeps the lower classes from taking power, and it protects the upper class. The state itself is controlled by (I hate to use this term, but it's really the truth) the upper class.

To not have a state apparatus, does not mean people can't defend themselves. Look at the anarchists in Spain. They defended themselves, and, according to my knowledge, there was no central state under their society.

 

Yours are. But only to some extent.


This might help you get a basic understanding of communism:

http://www.redstar2000papers.com/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1082898978&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&

 

I have an understanding of communism, and an understanding of reality. I think you lack the reality part.

 

My friend, I see you have a good test about the music... I was born in a small communist country - Bulgaria. I saw everything with my eyes... So let me tell you - there's a big abyss between words and deeds. The Communist Party did lie the people with beautiful words about "the bright future" but we all lived in equal poverty. Only the leaders had privileges. And beside of this, the communism means dictatorship. The differences were forbidden. For example the rock music (including my favourite band for all times - Led Zeppelin ) was "western manipulation" which seek to destoy the communist morality. My older brother and his friends listened underground the music Deep Purple, Led Zep, AC/DC. They did cut the hair of the young long-haired people. They sent in the prison many political prisoners, who supported the democracy. They killed their political enemies without judge. In USA you can have an opposite opinion against the goverment but in the communist countries we couldn't do it. I can tell you a lot but I don't want to boring you. If you have some questions about the communism, ask me
P.S Sorry for the language mistakes - I'm better in Russian

 

We're discussing theory. Because we are discussing theory, I remain theoretical. Can't handle discussing from an academic viewpoint?

Could you give us a definition of communism? That would be very useful, in order to ensure that we both are discussing the same thing.

Thanks

 

Dear Communism, the young boy just asked "What you think about the communism?" He didn't ask about the theory. I believe you know the theory. So I said just what I think - and I'll repeat: dictatorship! Classless society? Absolutely equality? We all know! Why should I give you a definition in this case? (Beside of this my English is very poor to explain what I think with bulgarian words). But I saw the practice. And I saw old socialdemocrat who was castrated in the jail. And an old anarchist, which fingers were broken in the concentration camp. Theoretically and practically the violence is the only arguement of the communists. And I surpose that even Marx can't be happy with it.

 

A theoretical form of government in which everybody contributes what they can, and those who need, get what they need. There are other ideas that go along with the theory, but that about sums it up. Yea it sounds great, but in reality it's basically a facade used by dictators to maintain all the power and money to themselves, while lying to the people saying it's all about them. Anybody who thinks communism will ever work on a large scale is either lying to themselves, delusional, or fucked up on serious amounts of drugs.

 

Hi, TheSadKnight.

Yes, he asked about communism. Well, communists (including myself) do not see the nations in Eastern Europe as communist (nor would Marx, or any great writer regarding Marxism). I do not know if the majority of Eastern Europeans themselves see the regimes in Eastern Europe as communist, or their societies being under communism. I don't.

I think you're English is good.

English isn't my mother language, either. My English isn't very good.

If you've experienced all that misery you've just explained to us, then I understand why you have a negative opinion regarding the regime in your country. I would have too. That sounds horrible. I think every good and honest person would have opposed such abuses. And if you want to describe the government you lived under as a dictatorship, then I agree with you.

I don't think there are anyone than Bulgarians themselves who can determine if the regime you lived under during the cold war, was a dictatorship or not. And if the majority of Bulgarians think so... No.. If you think so, I'm willing to believe that, too.

So you don't support that regime in Bulgaria, and I don't. We both agree.

Anarchists are allies of Communists. We don't break each others fingers. We are "on the same team". We fought hand in hand in the civil war in Spain, against the fascists. We even fought together, side by side, during the revolution in Russia in 1917. Yes, a huge portion of those who were fighting in Russia, were anarchists.

Those who ruled in Bulgaria, in my opinion, were not real communists. They only said they were. If you think otherwise, I will respect that.


Personally, I've never supported any government in Eastern Europe, with the exception of the government under Lenin. There are few government I would have described as 'real' socialist states after Lenin died. And after Stalin died, real Marxists-Leninists were put in jail and in mental hospitals. You see, there was a coup inside the Soviet government. The "revisionists" took over. It was a group of opportunists who wanted to restore capitalism in Russia. Those who did support what some Westerners call "true communism", were jailed, and even killed.

I agree with you. Marx would have opposed, and many other Marxists, are completely opposed to the majority of regimes in Eastern Europe.

Yes, it's true, a lot of times, workers and peasants with communist sympathies, have taken up their weapons against many different regimes. But at the same time, it is not like there have been reason for it.

The CIA and Suharto in Indonesia killed around 500 000 "suspected" communists, including many Chinese people living in Indonesia. The CIA even gave the names for 5000 of them. A lot of them were even people who were not even communists. I believe this was in the 80's.

We do not want violence. Violence, I think, is always "an evil". Even Che Guevara said that we should avoid violence as long as we can, and that we should only use violence when all other peaceful options are gone. Our main goal (and even if you think it's stupid, it's true, we really mean it), is to end the exploitation of man. But I'm sure you know.

 

read george orwell 1984 and you will get the idea how I feel about it.

 

I hate all communists of this world.

Don't try to tell me like: "why the fuck? You know nothing about it!" I know much more than you could think. My country lived in this bad and sad regime 40 yrs, so I know what hell it is.

 

You don't know what real hardship is, world wide people are oppressed by the international bourgeoisie, your fucking blind that people have to suffer for you precious Capitalism to work but you don't give fuck because you didn't to bad.

 

Capitalism is a global system, there is not enough resources to support all of humanity and keep the rich in their lifestyle of excess.

 

In capitalism, the owner gets to leach wealth from the true creators of wealth.

Marx and Engels made it clear for communism to work, then all the power has to be in the hands of the people.

"the emancipation of the working class must be achieved by the working class itself.’ We cannot therefore cooperate with people who openly state that the workers are too uneducated to emancipate themselves and must be freed from above by philosophical leaders.” -Marx

“The time is past for revolutions carried through by small minorities at the head of unconscious masses. When it gets to be a matter of the complete transformation of the social organisation, the masses themselves must participate, must understand what is at stake and why they must act. But so the masses may understand what is to be done, long and persistent work is required.” -Engels

Communist is not to have a monoply setup but to have the means of production as a commons, democratically controled by the people, Captialist don't really belive in democracy as they rather have the rich dictate industry, while Communist demand industry be in the hands of the people.

 

I think everyone do. However, Indonesians earn a dollar or two a day, for making expensive pants and shirts for the West. They can't even afford the buttons on the shirts they make. How is that "getting paid for my work"?

In a true socialist society, you will get paid according to what you do. If you are lazy, you will be paid less. If you are hard-working, you will be paid more.

I think you are describing socialism here. And yes, that's true, the government (or the public) will control the means of production. But would you rather work for rich fat bastards who just use your body and your labor power in order to make more money, or would you work for the community, and get a good salary?

That's not socialism. In fact, it's the opposite of socialism. In most capitalist nations, the government is ruled by the economic elite. Look at the US, for instance. Not only do the rich control the economy, they also control the government. I remember reading that the wife (?) of John Kerry is one of the richest in the world. Bush is a millionaire, and so is the rest of his family. Dick Cheney was a CEO just before he joined the Bush administration. The US government are full of rich politicians. But in a socialist society, the government would be controlled by normal people who have specialized in special fields (be it health, education, science etc).

Not neccesarily true.

Hard work would be awarded. For example, model workers could for example win a ticket to a vacation, a car, etc. So people would be encouraged to work harder, and be better persons.

 

The communist manifesto is often seen by "newbies" as a very important work, but in the eyes of many, it isn't. The Communist Manifesto was developed before Marx and Engels had refined and fully developed their thoughts.

Not very true, considering the fact that there will be no government (only an administrative) in a communist society. There will be no need for the state, because classes will have dissapeared in a communist society. And because the state exist as a product of the irreconcilability of class antagonism.

Communists usually seperate between private and personal property. Factories, sweatshops, Microsoft and Nike, etc. can be considered private property that would be made public.

That doesn't mean people can just steal a car if they want to. That would be pretty insane, don't you think?

No.

In a communist society, personal property will be defended, just like today. Your would have the right (far as I know, that is no right, today) to have your own house, a car, basically everything you need. In a communist society, you serve everyone, and everyone serves you. So you can take what you need. If you need a chair, take it. If you need a computer and you don't have one, you can have a computer too. No one has the right to steal your toothbrush, your family album, your car, etc. etc.

 

Did you know George Orwell was a communist? He fought in the far-left Workers' Party of Marxist Unification during the Spanish civil war.

 

and you know this for certain?? How??

 

Because if everyone had access to food it would not be scarce, capitalism demands everything be scarce as if something is of abundance it has little market value.