thoughts on communism

Many europeans traded and invested money in cuba . Since the system dont work they all lost and Castro have not paid 1 single penny back. on the hand in pre castro days 1 cuban peso was equal in value to a U.S dollar i dont think you can muster this if country was in shambles . cuba had more paved roads than any south american country in 1959 i dont think you can muster this in shambles . castro only added a few new roads extensions.

 

So that's why 90 percent of the rural population was undernourished?

Do you have an idea how extensive the US blockade against Cuba, is?

You doubt stuff like that has happen?

- Michael Moore

Michael Moore

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If you don't believe Michael, search "Swine fever Cuba" in google.

Here's another one.

"1981
The CIA releases the dengue fever in Cuba, resulting in 340,000 people being infected and 116,000 hospitalized - this in a country which had never before experienced a single case of the disease. 158 people, including 101 children, die (that the total was this low is only thanks to Cuba's remarkable public health center).

In a 1984 federal criminal trial in New York, the head of the anti-Cuba terrorist organization Omega 7 testified under oath that, shortly before the outbreak of the epidemic, the CIA had given members of his group "some germs" to be taken to Cuba.

Declassified documents have also revealed that the US Army loosed swarms of specially bred mosquitoes in Georgia and Florida to see whether disease-bearing insects could be weapons in biological war. The mosquitoes were of the Aedes Aegypti type, the precise carrier of dengue fever. It has also been revealed that the US government center Fort Detrick was researching dengue fever for the purposes of biological warfare in 1967. "


"2001 Operation Northwood declassified - detailing CIAs plans to commit terrorist attacks in the US and blame them on Cuba, in order to create public support for a war against Cuba. These plans included the sinking of boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in US cities. Thinking is summarised by the following quote: 'casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation'."




http://www.lossless-audio.com/usa/index15.php


Haven't heard of Operation Northwood before? Take a search on google.


Ever heard of US Operation Mongoose?

http://members.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/operation_mongoose.htm

 

That's why workers in Brazil and other places, have to work 16-18 hours today, just to make it through the day?

Some are even forced to work. It's called slavery. Slavery still exists.



If you think most people living in a capitalist society can just "do something else", then you have no idea how life is, boy. Take a trip to Brazil with your money, and check how the workers/slaves are being treated in the poorest areas. Good luck.


http://www.antislavery.org/

 

Should I takea trip to Vietnam and Noth Korea too and see how their poorest people are being treated?

 

You are getting silly.


Newsflash: North Korea's ideology is Juche, not Marxism. It has removed everything mentioning marxism from it's constitution over a decade ago (1992, to be exact).



Vietnam hasn't been led by a communist vanguard since Ho Chi Minh. Vietnam today has just as little to do with socialism, as China. They are even taking advices from corporate lobbies like WTO! Now that's the revolutionary spirit, eh?


At least the North Korean people do receive some benefits. Women with more than 3 children receive special compensations every month per child until the children graduate the higher middle school, but again North Korea has nothing to do with socialism.


This is a thread about communism. Obviously you won't recognize the fact that most workers in the world are treated like shit. And although you are wrong, you go on to accuse societies, that you think are communist, but are in reality, not.

If you want to discuss communism, it would be smart to discuss communism, not societies that are not even communist!

 

Castro has parasited off of a relatively strong victim, weakening, draining and wrecking but not quite killing. He even finds sponsors to feed his victim enough to stretch out his parasitic role. And, as a really good vampire, he mesmerizes the victim itself into accepting the blood sucker as some sort of romantic, heroic and revolutionary figure. He can never let the victim ro the co-dependant supporters see the true nature of hwat he does. Only after Fidel finally dies will we likely see the reality of his five decade tyranny.

 

This data was published by the International Labor Organization in Geneva, Switzerland, in 1960. In 1958, Cuba had a labor force of two million two hundred four thousand workers (2,204,000). The rate of unemployment at that time was 7.07%, the lowest in Latin America, as per data from the Cuban Labor Ministry.

EDUCATION: That same year, Cuba had three government financed universities and three others that were privately run. There were twenty thousand (20,000) students enrolled in the government run universities.

There were 900 officially recognized private schools, including the three private universities. The total number of students enrolled at these institutions was over one hundred thousand (100,000).

The public school system employed twenty five thousand (25,000) teachers, and the private school system counted with 3,500.

In the middle of the 1950s, there were 1,206 rural school houses in Cuba, as well as a mobile library system which boasted a total of 179,738 books.

Also in 1958, Cuba had 114 institutions of higher education, below the university level; among them were technical institutes, polytechnic and professional schools, which were financed by the government. Just in 1958, these institutions graduated 38,428 students. In 1958, the island's illiteracy rate was 18%.

This data is found in the archives of Cuba's Ministry of Education.

Cuba was the Latin American country with the highest budget for education in 1958, with 23% of the total budget earmarked for this expense. It was followed by Costa Rica (20%), and Guatemala and Chile, each with 16%. This data comes from America in Statistics, published by the Pan American Union.

 

A closer look at some basic food groups reveals that Cubans now have less access to cereals, tubers, and meats than they had in the late 1940's. According to 1995 UN FAO data, Cuba's per capita supply of cereals has fallen from 106 kg per year in the late 1940's to 100 kg today, half a century later. Per capita supply of tubers and roots shows an even steeper decline, from 91 kg per year to 56 kg. Meat supplies have fallen from 33 kg per year to 23 kg per year, measured on a per capita basis.



Although some would blame Cuba's food problems on the U.S. embargo, the facts suggest that the food shortages are a function of an inefficient collectivized agricultural system -- and a scarcity of foreign exchange resulting from Castro's unwillingness to liberalize Cuba's economy, diversify its export base, and pay off debts owed to its Japanese, European, and Latin American trading partners during the years of abundant Soviet aid. This foreign exchange shortage has severely limited Cuba's ability to purchase readily-available food supplies from Canada, Latin America, and Europe. The U.S. Embargo has added, at most, relatively small increases in transportation costs by forcing Cuba to import food from non-U.S. sources elsewhere in the hemisphere.



The statistics on the consumption of nonfood items tell a similar story. The number of automobiles in Cuba per capita has actually fallen since the 1950's, the only country in the hemisphere for which this is the case. (Unfortunately, the latest available data for Cuba are from 1988.) UN data show that the number of automobiles per capita in Cuba declined slightly between 1958 and 1988, whereas virtually every other country in the region -- with the possible exception of Nicaragua -- experienced very significant increases in this indicator. Within Latin America, Cuba ranked second only to Venezuela in 1958, but by 1988, had dropped to ninth.



The 1988 data on automobiles also reveal that countries in Asia and Europe that once ranked far behind Cuba in this measure have since surpassed Cuba by a wide margin. Japan, with four cars per 1,000 inhabitants in 1958, was far behind Cuba (24) that year, but by 1988, Japan's number had grown to 251, whereas the figure for Cuba remained frozen at its 1958 level. Similar comments could be made for Portugal (increased from 15 in 1958 to 216 in 1988), Spain (increased from six to 278), and Greece (increased from four to 150). Indeed, Italy's 29 cars per capita was not far ahead of Cuba's 24 in 1958, but by 1988, Italy boasted 440 cars per capita, whereas the figure for Cuba was unchanged from the 1950's.

 

Wooohoo! Private schoools.. Rich white kids can go to fancy schools that the niggers can't! How fun! No ****** classes! Wee!!

That doesn't say much, especially because the US mafia probably owned 100s of cars. A rich Cuban might have owned 40 cars, while common people couldn't even dream of having one.

Did you know that those 1,500 who invaded Cuba during the bay of pigs invasion, owned between themselves, over 10 000 houses, and several sugar mills and factories? "Oh look, Cuba had so many houses during the Batista-government!" I tell you what, the Batista regime cut the tongue out of 70 year old people because they wouldn't open their doors for Batista's army. That's right, and they would've cut your toungue out too, if you wouldn't open up. They would seperate blacks and whites, favoring whites, of course, all with the support of the United States. The Cuban apartheid. Yet you support that.

Where's your nazi picture, btw? We loved that picture. Hitler and that church, it was lovely.

 

But hey, Cuba is not communist, so why don't we debate communism?

Communism is an economic and political system based on the principle "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need". Social classes cease to exist, there is no coercive governmental structures, and everyone lives in abundance without supervision from a ruling class.






Much like Anarchism.

Let's discuss this interesting social system.

 

That came right from the horse mouth.

 

I thought you would like it, especially with your (no-longer) Hitler avatar.

 

the first of many
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/bcaplan/museum/musframe.htm
The purpose of the Museum of Communism is to for Communism what the Holocaust Memorial Museum does for Nazism: namely, to educate the public about mass murder, widespread slave labor, and other human rights violations committed by Communist regimes. As the curator of the museum, I strive for high standards of objective scholarship; but the historical facts - enjoying the widespread agreement of scholars whatever their political orientation - ensure that the museum's exhibits will almost invariably place Communism in an extremely negative light.

The horrors of Nazi Germany prompted many concerned observers to vow that "Never again" would such a regime be allowed to exist. This has prompted an energetic effort to publicize Nazi atrocities, an effort which has been singularly successful. Unfortunately, while equally solid and damning historical evidence on the behavior of Communist regimes exists, there has been surprisingly little effort to convey this information to a broader audience. It would be tragic if Communism were to collapse without intellectually immunizing future generations against similar movements.

 

A free people cannot afford to forget the evils of Communism. We cannot allow the atrocities of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Castro to fade into the background of history. We must not forget the trail of blood and tears this utopian deception always leaves behind:

* When the Bolsheviks murdered their way into power...

* When Lenin destroyed hundreds of thousands of Cossacks...

* When the Kremlin starved more than six million in Ukraine...

* When Mao murdered tens of millions of Chinese peasants during his "land reforms"...

* When Ho Chi Minh sent 850,000 Vietnamese to their graves in "education camps"...

* When Castro buried dissenters in the infamous Isle of Pines...

* When the student voices of freedom were silenced at Tiananmen Square...

 

i took my hitler avatar off becouse the moderator did not like the size .

 

Stalin in the soviet union kill as much if not more than HITLER .

 

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The world is too selfish and any 'leader' would become corrupt with power. Communism is a nice idea IN THEORY but in reality people could never put the well being of society before their own well being.

 

I cut a part an article from Spartacus Schoolnet. It's continous, but I cut it a part, for practical reasons.

Now, consider the fact that Cuba has 20, 000 doctors in Venezeuela alone, not to mention the thousands of doctors in Cuba. Cuba has doctors and healthworkers in 21 countries. They are all over the Third World, saving millions of lives.

Infant mortality is now down to something around 5.8. In The Isle of Youth, it is, 1.8.

The US infant mortality rate is at 6,5. Cuba, a third world country, has a lower infant mortality rate than the US!

In North and South America, Cuba is second (Canada the only one higher, the US, below Cuba, at a third place). Haiti, a neighbour of Cuba, has an infant mortality rate at 76.

Source: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/COLDcastroF.htm