Those Against Homosexuality Are Not Bigots

I wouldn't be surprised of there was a genetic role in all sorts of different sexuality. I just read the other day that when someone has sex for the first time may be due to genetics. Of course society also limits or grants such a privilege.

There is a lot to learn and conservative people don't really like science, generally. People would rather believe in the magic of their ideas of God and not really proven, reliable and repeatable data.

 

I'm 19 turning 20 this year and while most of my views do mirror my parents', I've accepted them as my own through my own research. So I'm not some parrot spewing out the views of my parents. What I stand for is what I've researched.

 

I'm not from the south. In fact I spent the majority of my years in Alaska, but I was born in Italy.

 

Can't I make the same line of argument for zoophiles and those who practice incest?

 

Nope.

 

Can you provide a source for your claims?

 

Uhmmmm,
the very article you linked IS the source for my "claims" as is the wicki article which states the same damn thing I posted.
you did actually read that stupidity before you posted it, didn't you?

Man, not the sharpest tool in the shed there, are ya.

 

I don't care where you're from.

 

One of these things is not like the others

 

Vapid.

Also, whether or not disease is more prevalent in the homosexual community is completely irrelevant to an argument about marriage.

Demonstrate the logical leap between "More members of this group of people have certain diseases than the national average" and "this group of people should be denied the right to have their relationships afforded equal standing to others in the eyes of the law."

Would you say that heterosexual couples who have been proven to have STD's should have their right to marry revoked? I'm guessing not. The link between the two only seems to exist when talking about gay marriage.

To illustrate my point.

I am in a relationship with a member of the opposite sex and we are engaged to be married.

If one of us gets an STD, by the logic that you imply, we should be denied the right to marry.

After all, 50% of the members of this group DEFINITELY have an STD.

If your answer is yes, then that's mental, but at least equal.

If your answer is no, then how can you use the prevalence of STD's to deny marriage rights to a group where the amount of potential people with STD's is far less than 50%?

Do you think that marriage will make their STD's worse?

Do you think that getting married will increase the amount of people that they sleep with and thus spread the disease to? (in this case, I look forward to your argument in favour of denying marriage rights to heterosexual couples who have affairs and multiple partners.)

Studies consistently find that people of lower economic standing are more at risk of STD's. Similarly people of ethnic minority backgrounds are often more at risk. No more marriage for the poor or non-whites then, I take it?


Or don't bother trying to justify your scripture-driven position with half-baked logic, I'm not particularly interested in engaging in this debate any more. I'm happy to sit on the sidelines and watch the bulldozer's of history rolling in to bury you.

 

If you are honestly going to research from Wikipedia and except that crap as fact. Then you honestly need to reconsider your argument and probably read from a more reliable sorce. For example a medical journal or maybe look into the psychological profiles on why people are gay. If that's to hard for you to read and comprehend grab a dictionary. If you want my opinion you are barely out of diapers and still sucking on moms tit while she reads you some anti gay bullshit from a Religious based magazine and tucking you into bed. If you have never had a sexual experience how can you really know what you like and dislike. What are you saving your virginal ass for marriage because I'm not sure if you have looked around most females are not virgins. Who wants to be stuck with a lousy lover. Well any way if you decide to take my advice and get laid remember foreplay is important as is lube if she's a virgin. If you want to last longer because most virgins suck their first time maybe invest in a cock ring. Use protection wouldn't want to get stds or AIDS now would we!?

 

Well as I said, far more important things to worry about.

Working your tail off at your age, making sure you get somewhere in life, successful enough to be able to financially support a wife and kids.

You'll just end up looking like a pussy or a loser if you can't manage that.

Enormous pressure with that kind of thing nowadays.

If you fail at that, ranting and raving about gays, it will just look to everyone like you are trying to make excuses for, or trying to shift focus away from you not being 'man' enough to be able to provide for the wife and kids

 

No and I don't feel like I should have to explain why to any sane, semi-logical human being. So I won't bother

 

Okiefreak is pro gay marriage. He was just making a more nuanced argument that was reasonable, unlike a bunch of the more inflammatory remarks here towards a greenie.

 

I don't see how one can be inclined to be gay but not have been born gay. What straight person is ever inclined to be gay? It's not like you get your feelings hurt and are like, "Oh well I'm just gonna be gay then."

So if people are suddenly inclined to be gay rather than straight, what is causing this? And should we be carefully monitoring our activities so as not to promote any gayness? Should we ban sports like wrestling and football?

What do you think is causing men and women to become suddenly inclined to be gay?

 

Such a dated and lame topic.

 

People aren't born gay. It's a preference, like chocolate rather than vanilla. Is that genetic too?

People don't even have to label themselves gay. There are tons of sexual preferences, including asexual, pansexual, pomosexual (post modern sexual), and trysexual.

And yes there are probably people who are hurt and decide to switch sides.

I was a peer counselor at the LGBT Center in school. When we were being trained, we read snippets from different potential callers. One woman said, and I quote, "I chose lesbianism."

 

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Homosexuality is a fact of life. It exists just like the sun and moon exist.
Who cares about std statistics, or whether it's a choice, or genetic. People are people. Straight or gay, we all have feelings.

Maccabee, you may hold your beliefs above the pain of others now - and maybe for the rest of your life - however one day you might get to know people who aren't like you(I'm not talking about reading about them, or hearing about them 2nd or 3rd hand). That day you might rethink how you apply the words bigot and bigotry.

I was a bigot in my youth (despite my parents) because of all of the bullshit that I heard from my peers. All of the lies, the namecalling, the bullying, and the gay jokes had burned into my brain that homosexuals were objects to be the focus of persecution. I didn't consider my feelings towards homosexuals as being bigotry.

It wasn't hate, or namecalling, or lies that made me see how wrong I was. It was meeting some of the best people that I know, who never responded to hate with hate, and never had to spread lies about ignorant rednecks(like me), to get me to see that that I was wrong. Just getting to know them showed me that they were humans just like me, with feelings just like me.

You should try getting to know people, and why they are who they are, before condemning anything about them. Understanding removes a lot of fear.

Bigotry causes people pain. If you are against homosexuality, and you speak out against it, you are being intolerant and causing bad feelings for a non-existent offense. You don't see it as bigotry because you only see it your way.

 

No shit.